Look at these numbers from Colorado

Okay, Salazar won and for that I am very happy.

However, these numbers sure look like someone transposed the results from the Kerry column to *.

Salazar has 1,023,803 votes while Coors received 944,520.

* supposedly got 1,058,040 while Kerry received 944,052 votes.

How does that happen?

are in opposing parties, the numbers are strange indeed.

very curious.

Who if anything might have split the ticket the other way around...though maybe they like Salazar and his brother too???

I like Colorado culture (jambands etc.), and I meet some Republicans there who at least seem more intelligent than those in Kansas. And I know there are SOME intelligent conservative anti-neo-con Constitutionalists out up among those peaks...I don't know how many though. Oddly, enough Hunter S. Thompson has a least a few funny things in common with these people, who are probably among his neighbors. Hunter thought Kerry was likely to win the country in a landslide.

There were a lot of fishy things going on in Colorado, a state where Bush was more vulnerable than most "Red States".

my precinct had Kerry up 57/47
the precinct across the hall had Kerry up 57/38

I know that is only two precincts...but there were twice as many Kerry signs than Bush, twice as many bumperstickers...and I travel all over the state for my job, so I am not just talking my neighborhood
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Can it be done that way, go across the state and tabulate what was projected and the final result? Or are there roadblocks and blockheads in the road?

Remember bush's campaign slogan: Results matter!

Curiouser and curiouser.

I took my kids to see what the "bleep" do we know and Ray
both were outstanding movies by the way.......

as for projected...I don't know...when you are judging you are in that area for approx 14 hrs...you don't have access to ANYTHING OUTSIDE (ie newspapers or media reports)
but as far as results, we had ours within 20 minutes after the polls closed...then posted them for the public and the a team of two delivers them to a second location and sign over a "transfer of possession."
who know what happens then....

Do we have exit polls and results to compare like some of the other battleground states?

I swear, we have the most deplorable election process in the world, considering what we present to the world as a democracy.

I wonder how many apathetic citizens will bother voting in 2006 or 2008.

that if this thing isn't exposed and addressed....forget America...just forget it because people like you and will have lost our ultimate power
politicians will do what they want...cause they can rig their job security.

when she got to the polls (first time 18 year old voter). She voted provisional. She's worried that it didn't count.
One of her teachers at school had the bizarre experience of going to the polls and finding out that someone had already voted for him, complete with ID.

The difference between those numbers could literally be accounted for by a handful of people who made a mistake or who's vote registered incorrectly. The numbers are too damn close. Kerry WON Colorado, apparently. I wonder ... candidate ID in the database is numeric, not by name. If the * and Kerry numbers were flipped ... because if they were, it's potentially traceable through a recount.

I wonder if other States show some odd numbers like that.

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and we don't know how many the machines did not count in early voting!!!!
:grr:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=201&topic_id=1833&mesg_id=1833

in other state races that are suspect?

i'm off to check NC.


dp

How can anyone doubt that this election was ALSO stolen.. (I believe that Rove got lucky in '00)

in legal actions against fraud. On AAR yesterday Mike Papantonio was talking about Que Tam(sp?). Civil suits will be the way to go if he doesn't fight, county by county, preliminary to criminal indictments RICO.

Qui Tam suits are filed secretly by definition and the fact if the suit and the evidence it reveals cannot be made public for a minimum of 6 months. The purpose of this is to allow the state or fed government (depending on the court in which the suit is filed) time to determine whether they want to participate in the suit.

This isn't where we're going with this right now.

He also mentioned another type of suit - because we paid the voting companies to count our votes, if they failed we can sue them on an economic (defrauding the govt by receiving money for faulty product?) basis. Whether willful negligence or criminal intent. He also mentioned RICO.
What Kerry and Edwards do or don't do may be their own thing.
But we the people have a standing in this fight, so whichever venue you attorneys think is the best, count me in.
First thing to do, in my humble non lawyer opinion, would be to poll the voters in a few precincts, same process as GOTV, and compare them to the official returns. Then get signed affadavits and bring the suit. Then investigate more precincts as needed. And you don't need paper ballots either, just affadavits.
Whatever it takes to expose the fraud, get the indictments and convictions necessary to bring the new fascist party down.
Then, reform the Democratic Party.
But that's just me. :hi:
Thanks for the info.

Which voters do you poll, and how many of those will lie because they don't see how critical this election is and would prefer to "move on with their life"?

A good suggestion for an ideal world, but an ideal world wouldn't find us in this mess.

Hey, we're in an election quagmire!

Presidential race -

Rep - 1.05 million
Dem - .94 million

Senate race -

Dem - 1.02 million
Rep - .94 million


I am working on my coincidence theory right now... where's my gold-plated hat?

such a coincidence has an almost 0% chance of happening

President: 1,058,040 + 944,052 + 11,994 + 7,217 + 2,438 + 1,496 + 759 + 359 + 321 + 232 + 197 + 135 = 2,027,190

Senate: 1,023,803 + 944,520 + 17,809 + 9,466 + 7,999 + 6,127 + 1,650 = 2,011,374

for a total difference of 15,186 votes between the races.

but can't establish a def pattern. Using pres and senate race, county by county.

Either a sizeable diff in total #'s both pos/neg voted in both races (so they didn't pull straight party? didn't bother to vote senate?)
and the R *moron wins county, but the dem cand wins senate county.

so dems voted for *moron, and then returned to voting dem???

dp

the Strickland and Allard race in 2002 for practice.

Would be to simply reverse the listings on the voting machine in the appropriate precincts (places that are slightly more democratic than republican, but not so much that the result would seem highly unusual). I'd imagine that this wouldn't be terribly traceable either.

sniff sniff....phew...

Are there DU'rs in Colorado who can get this to a reporter who will check it out?

To understand why Salazar won and Kerry lost you have to understand Colorado...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topics&forum=142

I know you're just reporting what you see as "odd", but it isn't. Nothing "fishy" went on in Colorado. We had good things happen in this state on election day and if the choir members from the Church of Bev Harris poke their nose in Colorado and fuck that up for us I will personally take them on.

You hear that Bev? Stay the fuck out of Colorado!!!

Just because Salazar won you don't want the truth to come out?

Nice attitude. Now go away

My mother lives in Colorado and she barely scrapes by on her fixed income.

Many of *'s policies affect her. If he didn't win Colorado legitimately, that must be exposed . . . just like the other States where things are fishy.

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Many in Colorado are. I am working to make this a better state so that maybe, just maybe your Mother won't have it so bad. What is Bev Harris going to do for your Mother?

Nordic is right. I should just go away, and I will. Because your thread just proves my point.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x1304286

I know. Don't bother. "Don't let the door.."

Where the hell were you? In Douglas County?

fraud is fraud is fraud...regardless of what state, county or district it happens in...up in the mountains they had Diebold machines...when I was training, I asked them how much memory, or hdd space these machines had....I was told "don't worry about it, there is triple redundancy....I would like to know where the redundancy occurs......exactly.

BEV HARRIS IS WELCOME IN COLORADO IN MY BOOK AND ANYWHERE ELSE!

people of a certain party are more likely to vote for someone of a different party if they are from their own state . a good example is the tom daschle/john thune race where dashcle/thune race was much closer than the presidential race.

944,052 to 944,520 ? :crazy:

anyone know if that got straightened out? If you look on blackboxvoting.org 's home page, Donetta Davison is one of the people on the ITA board (the people who certified the machines as good to go but never tested them). Check it out. It's pretty interesting. Did we get hacked? I voted in Denver County.

The most anti-Bush county in the state has mysterious problems with this corruptable equipment....:think:

For example, ex-cons who'd done their time were dropped from voting rolls, even though under Colorado law they'd actually recovered their right to vote...and do you think the Republican admistering the election was ignorant of Colorado law, and just ASSUMED they had the same laws as Florida?

Even if he was ignorant IGNORANCE OF THE LAW IS NO EXCUSE! He's guilty as sin!

Some ticket splitting does happen, and Salazar is definately a liked and respected guy in Colorado, they've known him (and his brother) for a while so he might immune to some of the mud-slinging slander that worked against the less known Kerry....still those particular numbers are AWFULLY SUSPICIOUS. Who counted those votes, anyway? What kind of technology was used?

Joe Stalin said it doesn't matter who votes, it matters who counts the votes. Now it matters what machine counts the votes....

EXPOSE THE DECEPTION, FIGHT THE CORRUPTION!!!