Fired Up Kerry Returning to Senate; Ponders 2008 Run

Democrat John F. Kerry plans to use his Senate seat and long lists of supporters to remain a major voice in American politics despite losing the presidential race last Tuesday, and he is assessing the feasibility of trying again in 2008, friends and aides said yesterday.

Kerry will attend a post-election lame-duck Senate session that begins next week and has said he is "fired up" to play a highly visible role, the friends and aides said.

Aides said Kerry is relishing the prospect of renewed combat with President Bush, fighting such measures as the president's proposal to open the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge to oil drilling. Kerry has spent the better part of the past two years on the campaign trail, meaning that his return to Capitol Hill will be something of a reintroduction to colleagues.

Kerry's plans contrast starkly with the approach taken by former vice president Al Gore, who all but disappeared from the political scene after losing to Bush in the disputed 2000 presidential election.

Kerry fueled talk about a 2008 bid during remarks at a Washington
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back him again. Not even for ABB.

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this time compared to almost 3 million in 2000, so believe me lots of Green voters voted for Kerry this time.

Or we're gonna get creamed, period. Kerry in the Senate may be what saves us.

We should fill his seat with a speical election. Of course, I would be fine with his assuming the Presidency this time.

This is big news...Unlikle Al Gore he is not ready to fade into the background. Interesting stuff to ponder....

If he runs again I will sure as hell go back to work for him again.

After all the time, effort and money I put into this race for JKF I would expect he would fight for all the votes to be counted. I would not support him in a race for dog catcher after this surrender.

and deliver a couple of swift ones to the famil jewels.

Basically, they need to be ruthless...over the top..and ubermacho.

Ever see Payback? Mel Gibson? That is the only thing those ultra creepy and insecure NASCAR/TNT/Pro Wrestling folks understand and respect.

I'll be happy to consider backing him again.

Right-o.

More quotes from "friends" and "aides".

Why is anyone caring what Bob Shrum has to say?

He's 0 for 8 now, its time for him to fade away more than anyone.

Bye Bob Shrum. Please retire somewhere nice and warm with plenty of hot chocolate and pasta. Please invite Donna Brazile to come over often and play chess.

That's one way to put it.

Shrum's time has come and gone long ago. I never had confidence in him. Right when I knew he was on Kerry's team I worried.

how about JK fired up to join BBV team

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If he isn't willing to fight -- if he just wants to back to business as usual -- I will bet that if he does "run" he will lose this time for real.

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the Democrats stay uncompetitive... sheesh...

Kerry is a national Democratic leader. We need not be trashing them just because they narrowly lost an election.

If Nixon can lose in 1960 and come back in 1968, then we should allow Kerry that chance as well. Perhaps we'll even see Gore come back and try again.

I imagine we'll see a Gore/Kerry/Dean primary season, maybe with Hillary in there too.

I'm so tired of these fair-weather fans who need a candidate to be absolutely down-the-line perfect.

Kerry conceded for the good of the nation. Get over it.

He has gained an important voice in the Senate that he did not have before. Celebrate that.

And quit your whining. You should be ashamed of yourselves.

pansy ass... He can count me out next election.
I worked to hard this election for him to throw it away.
I will also believe that he is a MOLE.
That entire article just pissed me off.
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These people are always quoted! Man, who are these guys?

Kerry gave it a good run, but I can not see him being a viable candidate in 2008.

corporate papers anymore.

taking it on its face....

no way. if kerry doesnt fight now, he can just sit in his office and watch the fascism on tv.
he can run if he wants, doesnt matter. he already lost. if his head is in the stand now he is a fool.

if this election stands. i have one issue only. fair voting. if it gets fixed, really fixed. i will join the system again. if not, i will never donate, volunteer or vote in this country again.

again. He won't win, because the election will be stolen again, and again, and again, until they address this problem. Pretending there isn't a problem won't get him elected. We need someone who will fight voter fraud.

People came out and voted who had never voted before and they voted FOR HIM. How will he ever get those people to trust him with their vote again if he doesn't fight this and I don't mean so he can be president, but because he IS a prosecutor and it's his job...

I'll support him however I can. I do hope he runs again. He's got my vote!

used by the next candidate if not by Kerry himself in 2008. I would be behind him 100% if he decides to run but I personally would like to see some new blood be the next nominee.

Jesus man, he needs to finish this before even thinking of what's next.

and not dissappear like al gore did post-election, use his position in the senate and national political capital fighting the good fight and become a powerful conterbalance to the repubs...i might consider voting for him in 2008...

but he is not going to get it automatically..he'll have to earn it by what he does for the next 4 years.

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i believe he has a good chance...because we all believe in our hearts that he actually did win this thing.

i'm still torn though...becuase he's not out there right now contesting this fraud up and down the country...whats going on in the DNC...who knows?

it appears strongly to me that the DNC has moved on to "never never Land since from one minute after the concession speech. Those seeking a stealth Kerry interest in recounts or evidence, even based on Edwards' vague assurance that every vote will be counted really have little to show for it. The posts here frankly are not reorganized to mobilize or display results of our collations to the outside world- or DU members all that easily. The murmurs in the outside world, that includes Air America Radio and a scattering of voices including Oldermann are like tumbleweeds whisking across the desert floor.

While I sincerely take Palast's proposition, and he uncharacteristically came out ahead of the issue, I note neither Labor nor Party nor any aspect of the Black caucus is gripping the open road on anything. I interested my local union leader. Media blackout? Try the Democratic organizations who don't return calls. The media in its stuporous spin easily hypnotized all our non-Fuhrer leadership.

This is another disheartening signal, even coming as it does from the nauseating WAPO nearly as exciting as the nomination of Daschle the Lesser, another weaker more vulnerable, less charismatic head of token opposition number 2.

I have no good feelings about this pattern. If Kerry is trying too hard to be above the fray until critical mass at the last minute is reached then he is doing too good a job.

I really never got answered(which is not suspiciously unusual in itself) in past Bev Harris threads about her eternal "drip drip" optimism. All the ground had been taken. Little was being won back. Not enough was happening to prevent, catch or affect the results of 2004. I bulled on anyway, as she and others put at more than arm's length by the part organization. Nothing is as secret or missing in efforts by all sides than a significant effort by the Kerry campaign.
They seem to be waiting for proof based solely on the premise that it must switch the election in a foolproof manner.

This morning I called the TV affiliates locally about news blockage nationally. I went to my local paper chain(which controls a number of papers), my very active and trustworthy union president. few demonstrate they have a clue. The AFL-CIO is a "move-on" deadpan despite the strangeness anyone can see. Soooo, is everyone a zombie nut in America(besides the Xian Taliban destroying us) easily tricked into surrendering vaguely appreciated liberties? Or is this a case of dying embers sheltered from any any incendiary breeze?

Had I felt this way walking the streets this fall, I physically could not have kept going. Of course in 2000 the easy meme of "mess" and "moveon" loser Gore dominated everything, especially the so-called party. If this peters out, you must be seriously joking to think the party is excited and viable with the unentertaining Keystone Cop pursuit of George Bush. I guess this way no one gets shot in the streets.

Is it the "Hollow Americans" wilting before the biggest turds on earth? Are we archivists, not progressives, not Democrats, not Americans, not anything? I hear the sounds of wheels spinning. It is rumored told the tow truck is on its way. Is it WORSE than we fear? Is the DNC and the campaign deliberately leaving us to our muzzled busy work? Hey one word, one way or the other please?

Allow me a burned out moment. But screw the WAPO.

that managed to convince themselves for a few days that Kerry was simply 'lying low' and 'working behind the scenes' regarding the obvious voting fraud.

I now feel I was mistaken...

I believe in that psy ops inhibitor even less, so this is only a blip in the dark.

The appointment of Reid and the DNC letters are the body blow.

as I was reading the article.

"Sometimes God tests you," Kerry told the crowd at H20, a restaurant on the Potomac waterfront, according to an aide. "I'm a fighter, and I've come back before."

could read between the lines on that one a bit & also:

..."Shrum acknowledged that he had not seen the problems at the time, saying that he believed on Election Day and the night before that Kerry would win. "All the polls appeared to be moving in the right direction," Shrum said. "We thought, 'We're ahead in the battleground states, we'll win in the battleground states.'"

wondering why Kerry wasn't fighting the good fight. Count all the votes, make sure that there wasn't any fraud perpetrated.

Still not sure why he appears to have abandoned the party. Some of the things I came up with are;
He's waiting for the investigations being conducted by Conyers, Nadler, Wexler.
He (Kerry) decided to let * handle the mess that he started.
Thinks he will be able to fight * better in the Senate.

There are just to many variables to weigh. I just hope whatever path he chooses he will always put up a good fight.

That's about the 10th time I've read that.

They have ASKED for an investigation.

but that doesn't mean that they AREN'T investigating while waiting for a response back from the GAO!

Which I believe they are doing...

between two Skull & Bonesmen...If Kerry concedes now without a fight, maybe the powers that be will help him in '08? I'd hate to think this might be the case!

A large part of the lost votes of the south and mid-west is because people weren't familiar with Kerry and that allowed them to believe alot of vicious things that were put out there. They are afraid of the unknown. Thats one reason that consistently vote for the same type of candidate. The south has a motto.."I'd rather be bit by a snake I know, than one I don't." Like it or not, this is a common thought among the southern voter..and those are the ones we need to get.

On top of this, logically, the repugs have already attacked Kerry once theres no more dirt to pull out. Kerry has a better chance than anyone, because he has already had his "vaccination" he is immune to the smear machine. ALl his negatives will be "old" news next time.

Like one Bush analyst on CSpan said thursday...Kerry was the one candidate they didn't look forward to running against.

What else do they got on her?

not to mention, there still so many "good ole boys" out there. The party should be doing some strategic polling on to see how the country reacts to it. Not to mention, brainwashed females that would feel safer with a man. Unfortunately I know some of those..:puke::eyes:

Though after spending a year in the spotlight, I can't imagine the letdown of going back to being the Junior Senator from Massachusetts.

I would start drinking. Except I already drink.

with friends like that, who needs enemies?

He's lost his chance forever, if I have anything to say about it. Goodbye, good riddance, and I don't even want to see you in the Senate any more, John F. Kerry. Fuck off. Wednesday was YOUR big chance and you blew it, big time.

If he makes ANY move to run again, I personally WILL work as hard to defeat him as I worked (and will work) for Dean, maybe harder.

And all you silly sops who are just holding your breath waiting for the big, feisty, macho, CLEVER Kerry/Edwards team to come roaring back and DO something --- you're going to have a lonnnng wait. My advice is to suck it up, realize that if democracy is going to get saved it'll be US doing it, not our fearless so-called leaders -- or at least not until they get smart enough to FOLLOW our lead since they're obviously incapable of leading themselves.

Kerry did two tours of Nam and then tried to stop that insane war.

I contributed to Dean, and he backed Kerry in the end. Why don't you Kerry haters march over to the Bushies and tell them you're now willing to bend over? Dean didn't do that.

your leaders. Good idea.

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That has become quite obvious.

If we're going to talk about misinformation, lets talk about convincing a whole bunch of people that we were headed to a 300+ EV landslide...

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We lose.

I've accepted it, Kerry's accepted, the DNC has accepted it, and I'm ready to move on and start the rebuilding.

Lets ridicule each other because the other side is so fraudulent, that makes sense :shrug:

To me it was clear from the debates.....Bush was awful, Kerry did the best he could.....but it wasn't enough in the end. Kerry had too many strikes against him that we're out of his control.

What a troll. W, the cheerleader was 10% of the man Kerry was.

He'd make a great President.

did a decent job. he won all the debates. came across as presidential. but he had to come up against religous zealouts and a public that was ignorant. they thought bush and 9/11, didnt want to investigate the true facts and felt Bush was doin a good job in the war on terror. "killing the terrorists before they kill us", of course many people believe saddam ordered 9/11. they thought voting bush out was a win for bin laden. of course they dont understand that kerry would know how to truly defeat them.

and is a true liberal.
He would have continued to fight, but it's impossible to prove the fraud. We now need to just stop this BBV.

All I know is that throughout the entire campaign, both Kerry and Edwards PROMISED that all the votes would be counted. On election night, John Edwards said those words again. Twelve hours later, Kerry conceded. :wtf:

I still don't understand why he was in such a rush to concede. He should have waited until all the votes were counted ... period. Frankly, I feel very betrayed by his actions. I believed in him. I trusted him when he promised to fight until all the votes were counted ... and then he walked away less than 24 hours after the polls closed, even though the exit polls clearly showed that something was wrong. At least Al Gore fought until the Supreme Court took away all his options.

If this story's true, if Kerry's decided to move on and ignore the obvious fraud and deception involved in this election, then I'm done. I can't support him in 2008 and quite frankly, I couldn't support any Democrat. They rolled over and played dead while the Presidency was stolen from them ... twice! How wonderful for them that they can simply cut their losses and move on. But what about us? The Dems keep asking us to support them, to stand up for them ... when the hell are they going to stand up for us? I keep putting my faith in them and I'm disappointed every time. I know the standard argument is, "If you don't vote for the Dem, it's the same thing as voting for Bush." Well, I voted for the Dem and he won ... and yet Bush gets to stay in the White House anyway.

If there's something else going on here ... if Kerry has some other strategy to expose the fraud ... then I will gladly admit that I was wrong to doubt him and you all can whack me upside the head a few times. But that kind of "white knight" thing only happens in the movies. Right now, I feel like no one gives a shit and that's depressing as hell. :evilfrown:

I'm sorry, folks. I don't mean to bring everyone down with my negative energy and I certainly don't want to fight with any of you, but this time, I can't just pick up the pieces and say, "Let's get to work and do it four years from now!" I don't have that kind of optimism anymore. :-(

At least he put up a fight!

He ran a crappy, defensive campaign and said too many stupid things. No way he would ever get the nomination again.