How to win back the religious right

"You will determine whether rage or reason guides the United States in the years to come. You will choose whether we are known for revenge or compassion. You will choose whether we, too, will kill in the name of God, or whether in His Name, we can find a higher civilization and a better means of settling our differences."

-- Wes Clark

I want them to have a mass heart attack

I don't want threir vote! Or to be like them in any way. They should strive to be more like us not the other way around. What the hell do they use their "christian compassion" for anyway?

But we can win quite a few. Don't abandon *any* of our core principles. But let those bastards know why each and every one of our core principles are their core principles too. Start tomorrow. Start today. The election is over. 2008? Don't even think about it. The Dem leadership should spend every waking moment figuring out how to take our message to religious America the same way the Moral Majority did in the 80s.

I agree 100%. Solidarity should be our mantra.

They have just been spewing their filth and people have been buying it. The trick is to show the real faithful the failings of * and his abandonment of core moral values in his actions. Religious in words only.

I have to admit I liked both Wes Clark and Howard Dean, more so than Kerry. When Kerry was selected I backed him 100%, but that is how I felt in the early stages of the election year.

Now go ahead, call me some names, you know you want to.:evilgrin:

"How we can win back thinking religious christians who care about real moral values."

I also thought Obama on Meet the Press this week did a great job of "reframing" our issues and putting them in a moral or even religious framework.

it is important to start seriously reaching out to the liberal and moderate churches, synagogues, and other organized religions.

I wish there was a way to give them their own territory and government, anyway they want it, and leave the rest of us alone to wallow in sin anyway we want.

Remember these same people burned crosses in yards, wore pointy hats, and snuck around in the dark to scare people to death. They also found ways of counting people of color as less than complete persons so they could own them. They were also the segregationist.

Let them evolve like everyone else has. We'll meet them in the late 21st century if they get on it soon enough.

What the hell are you talking about "win them back". The hateful, un-christian shit stains were never with me or any other freedom loving American....so it's impossible to have them back....and even if it weren't I wouldn't have anything to do with people who use the Lords name for their own vanity.

RC

The Christian Right are evil who back the deaths of the Muslims. Let them die and rot in hell.

...by simply quoting directly the writings of the father of the Dominionist/Reconstructionist Movement, R.J. Rushdoony, and pointing out that they too are bracketed to be smitten by 'God's select'.

For instance we're a nation of debtors, most of us one more depression from backruptcy and R.J. has special plans for debtors:

http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/rj.html

The Institutes of Biblical Law
Excerpts from R. J. Rushdooney's marvellous book
Compiled by Richard Anthony

Debt and Slavery
Every seven years, there was a cancellation of debt. Since the unbeliever is by nature a slave, he is not released from debt (Deuteronomy 15:1-6). A thief who did not make restitution was sold as a slave (Exodus 22:3). A man could also be sold for debt (Deuteronomy 15:12). The servitude ceased when labor had been performed equivalent to the amount which would have been required to make restitution, and it is limited to six years. A man could renounce his liberty and make himself a slave. He was then set free on the sabbath year. If he chose the security of slavery, his ear was pierced, to indicate that he was now like a woman, permanently in subjection, and he remained a slave (Exodus 21:5-7). Since unbelievers are by nature slaves, they could be held as life-long slaves without this formality (Leviticus 25:44-45).

Since the slave was, except where debt and theft were concerned, a slave by nature and by choice, a fugitive slave went free, and the return of such fugitives was forbidden (Deuteronomy 23:15-16).

they're playing into the Dominionists' hands. Nor do they realize what the Dominionists have in store for them.

The religious rights' values are in opposition to the Democratic Party's and to any person of good will.

It might feel cathartic to say 'fuck them' but the plain fact is that religion is a vehicle for political propaganda today and if we don't change that we will not like what we see when we pull our heads out.
Sorry to be harsh, I am talking about winning back our country from irresponsible fanatics. Change them! eaving them along unchallenged is just stupid.
At least leaflet their cars in the parking lots if you can't stomach the services.

fanatics by definition.

The religious right has always been looney tunes, if you ask me. The red states can keep them in their rush to become medieval.

How is he not the President? The man is a freaking genius. Everyone who listens to one of his speeches - how can they not be fired up for him?

If these crazy people come back to their senses, I will welcome them to the fold. I won't be like them. They would kick us to the wayside if they knew of our "crimes." I won't be so shallow. Part of it is my religion, but that can't work for everyone. We just have to set a higher standard of how we are going to talk to people.

Saying "I told you so" will not help them adjust when they finally see the truth. They need to be shown real care and real compassion. Real friendship, real values. I will forgive them if they seek forgiveness.

That the election was decided on "moral values" is pure bullshit Rove spin. Don't listen to it. He wants us consumed by this for the next 4 years, while they continue planning for total world domination. Will we ever learn?

From cbs news online:

"Let’s try to snuff this election’s new Big Theory before it becomes Conventional Wisdom, although it’s probably too late.

The subject matter is "moral values." The theory is this: Kerry lost because he was very unpopular with people who believe moral values are the most important issues. This group of values voters is growing and Democrats are doomed until they can win them over. "
<snip>
"While the nexus of issues boiled into the words "moral values" certainly were a big factor in this election, it’s being exaggerated partly because of the oddities of the poll itself and partly because the Big Theory conforms with what Republican strategists want you to believe."

link: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/11/05/opinion/meyer/main653931.shtml