If Kerry is running a stealth maneuvre, it would be pretty silly to let us

know about it. What would he do, come tell the freepers not to listen, he has a secret message to pass on to all the real dems? A lot of people here are abandoning hope simply because Kerry hasn't come out and said he's going to get the skunks. I don't think he will until there is enough ground swell on this to make it feasible. Dem2theMax has some good thoughts on this here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=203&topic_id=32469#32477

And suppose Kerry IS just off hiding somewhere doning NOTHING (which really doesn't seem in character). What should we be doing then? Why, exactly the same thing most of us are doing now. People with statistics and research skills are crunching numbers as fast as they can. The rest of us are making sure the issue eventually breaks through to the media. Writing, emailing, faxing, calling, protesting, signing, anything we can think of so that the media will simply have to report what is happening as it becomes apparent to millions and millions of Americans that something is up.

NH is a great start in this process. The captive media will have to mention this, even if just as a curious aside. They may bury it, hidden by Fallujah, but it will still make a lot of people wonder what is going on. If we can keep this momentum going, we may yet save democracy.

And that is the ultimate point, whether Kerry is doing something stealthy of not (and why not continue in that hope, there isn't anything to contradict it). WE need to stop the theft for the future of our country and the world. WE have the power to make them pay attention. And who knows, even if Kerry is off licking his wounds (again, that theory just doesn't seem in character), if WE bring enough energy and attention to the election tampering issue, he may be forced to step up to bat. I suspect he's already winding up for one hell of a drive.

There have been a lot of people here at DU lately posting doom and gloom messages. "we are abandoned" "all is lost" etc. Think about this for a minute. We know that the repugs would like nothing better than for us to feel whipped. They not only don't want us to fight THIS election, they definitely don't want us to fight the machines. Their plans for the future fascist imperium are based on the machines.

One reason that a Kerry stealth plan would have to be very, very...stealthy, is that political campaigns are full of spies. Even people fairly high up may not be all they say they are. And that goes for here too. We know that at least 2 people who had posted here for a long time "unveiled" last week. Don't doubt that more didn't break cover. Sometimes in a war, the enemy will sacrifice a few spies to make a group think they are all gone.

KKKarl would like nothing better than for us to abandon hope, abandon our efforts to find and spread the truth. He wants us demoralized, depressed, and deactivated. I can't know whether the people spreading loss of hope are KKKarl operatives, sympathizers, or simply foolish. What I do know is that the message of demotivation fits his desires, no matter who spreads it. Don't be sucked in.

but I agree in part. If they are running a stealth campaign, we may be impeding their progress as we demand justice (it seems absurd that we need to fight for the fair counting of votes, but that is what it has come to). But if he's really closed up shop, we aren't the type of folks who give up w/o a fight.

stealth campaign. WE need to bring this to the attention of the media. It must be the citizens of this country demanding answers. Much more effective. The more numbers we have asking what happened, bring up the discrepencies, making our neighbors, coworkers and friends ask what happened, the harder it is for KKKarl to make a case that this is all Kerry's LAWYERS at work.

OUR efforts are ESSENTIAL

If Kerry emerges, I'll support him 100%. If not, I'll fight with my wallet! Let's look at the big picture everyone! We need fundamental change.

The Order of Skull and Bones
Everything You Ever Wanted to Know, But Were Afraid to Ask

By Kris Millegan
Editor, Conspiracy Theory Research List
RoadsEnd@aol.com

The story begins at Yale, where three threads of American social history -- espionage, drug smuggling and secret societies -- intertwine into one. ParaScope is pleased to present this treatise on the Order of Skull and Bones, whose initiates fill the ranks of the global elite. Is Skull and Bones the American branch of the Illuminati? Are national and global events manipulated as part of a grand Hegellian equation, thesis and anti-thesis yielding a New World Order synthesis? The evidence and events surrounding the Order of Skull and Bones will shock you. Read on.

more...
http://www.parascope.com/articles/0997/skullbones.htm

also...

http://www.bilderberg.org/skulbone.htm

http://forum.fathermag.com/taliban/001/forum/messages/70412.shtml

I can't know whether a post like this is from a disruptor or not. It doesn't matter. It serves KKKarls purpose, whoever it's from. Demoralization.

No matter what Kerry is up to (and we may not know for quite a while), WE must do everything WE can to make sure the voting irregularities issue is out there.

How about this one?

http://www.newamericancentury.org/

A little more, errr, comfortable for you?

ooooooo the illuminati <hums twilight zone theme> :eyes:

<snip>
Democrat John F. Kerry plans to use his Senate seat and long lists of supporters to remain a major voice in American politics despite losing the presidential race last Tuesday, and he is assessing the feasibility of trying again in 2008, friends and aides said yesterday.

Kerry will attend a post-election lame-duck Senate session that begins next week and has said he is "fired up" to play a highly visible role, the friends and aides said.

<snip>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A35224-2004Nov8.html

But then maybe I'm just a "Karl Rove operative." :eyes:

individually. But doom and gloomers further KKKarls aims.

And assuming that you'll get the real story from the media right now is just plain being blind to the captive medias history the last few years.

so be it. Kerry is looking at 2008 and I am looking elsewhere. Joe Lieberman did the same thing in 2000. Joe went quietly back to the Senate and cautiously voted in every way to piss off his liberal base and cater to conservative voters. He didn't get very far. How Kerry handles the next four years remains to be seen. If his senate votes show some backbone, I'll reconsider. In the meantime, he needs to get us a message; his silence is not a promising sign.

Get on to the next phases of grief..

I don't know whether Kerry is up to something or not. There is no way I can know that, or it's reverse, for the reasons I stated.

But the best course of action now is to behave as though he is and work to bring the issue to the forefront of American discourse.

Behaving as though all is lost will certainly not help us.

I've been through all the stages. I've returned to where I started, which is FIGHT THE BASTARDS. Don't let them take democracy away forever.

I have other plans also. As a realist, I know we may not prevail, and I intend to live to fight another day.

But for now, I see the sanest way to behave as working to make voting issues known as widely as possible. Kerry or no Kerry, this is essential to our future.

I thought most here understood that your media is not going to tell you anything. Any comments about what Kerry is planning to do in the Senate is just speculation...a bone thrown to the media.

This is a huge battle for Kerry, even if he has many allies. It has to be done carefully. He has to go against the repubs who hold all three branches and the media who is in bed with whoever pays the biggest tab. But, if the media thinks this is a big enough show (numbers/ratings) the money people will abandon even Bush for a big story. That's why we call them whores.

As far as skull and bones, please, I've studied secret societies for years. It is not that neat and clean. Kerry didn't lead the life of a skull and bonesman after leaving college. I don't buy it.

Pray, tell...

study and think you know, the less sure you are. Do you start with the Annunaki? The theory that we went into Iraq for the clay tablets at the Baghdad museum. Sitchin's works on Sumeria point toward the Illuminati beginning there.

Plato inspired the Knights Templar and the Freemasons and some researchers think the Freemasonry grew from the Rosicrucians, a secret brotherhood that reaches into antiquity.

There is the Khazar empire from around 740 a.d. This is most interesting because the king of Kazharia (just above the Black Sea) converted his empire to Judaism but for political reasons to avoid being absorbed by the Muslims and Christians on either side of him.
The Khazars were in the Caucasus region and were not Semite whatsoever. They ended up settling in Eastern Europe and surrounding areas. The same Khazars were persecuted by the Rothschild controlled Nazi's in Germany. This of course gets quite involved. The Zionist movement came from all of this which has little to do which Judaism or the Semites. Zionism is a political movement.

The Round Table is an important branch of the Illuminati which involves Cecil Rhodes (Rhodes scholar fame) The Round Table orchestrates the CFR, the Bilderberg Group, The Trilateral Commission among others. Skull and Bones is considered a stepping stone into the the former groups. David Rockefeller is one of the most prominent names, he started the Trilateral but is in charge of many aspects of Bilderberg Group. There are lists available of attendees to the annual Bilderberg meeting with extremely interesting names some fairly unknown until after their initial appearance at a Bilderberg conference. Alan Greenspan is a member of all three and the Federal Reserve was created at Jekyll Island in Georgia November 22, 1910. It has 12 branches, controlled by the New York branch. It has nothing to do with the government, it is a private organization, with private stockholders. Therefore, depressions, recessions are created and controlled by this entity.

It has been substantiated that Prescott Bush did fund Nazi Germany
The bloodlines of all these people run into each other in some way or another. Even CNN said Kerry was a 13th cousin to George Bush.
This is just a fraction of info. It is quite interesting to study but it can get overwhelming to keep track of. There are so many factions from different areas of the world that created this power grip. Ok. I'm exhausted now. Enough

There would be a million ways to do a backchannel wave-off.

On the other hand, keeping the signal to noise ratio high, plus with it collecting valuable information, is a great cover and a great tool.

after the electoral collage votes and the swearing in ceremony. It's only been a week since the election that has lots of "irregularities" coming to light everyday, so what's the rush to fall into a crumpled heap on the floor?

"Being defeated is often a temporary condition. Giving up is what makes it permanent."

Marilyn vos Savant