A bit of help on the BBV problem? - Democratic Underground

TryingToWarnYou

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Tue Nov-09-04 07:59 AM
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A bit of help on the BBV problem?

Why couldnt Soros, or heck, anyone for that matter, purchase a voting machine and give it to the propeller heads at MIT or some other equally adept group to basically 'reverse engineer'? Running complex logic tests would be really easy for them and it might show some glaring issues. This seems like an obvious step to take, but I dont know if anyone has done it.

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BlueEyedSon

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:06 AM
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1. The market cap of DBD is $3.75 billion, for example

and there are 4 major voting technology vendors.

http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/profile.asp?siteid=bigcharts&dist=bigcharts&symb=DBD&sid=1604&time=8

Control of these companies will do nothing to fix the problems of
1. Spoilage (over/undervotes) from older technologies
2. Intimidation/challengers
3. Voter list scrubbing
4. Not enough machines in some precincts
5. Local manipulation of the tally

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TryingToWarnYou

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:11 AM
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2. Agreed, but it might put to bed some of the issues or validate concerns

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BlueEyedSon

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:39 AM
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3. That's a lot of money, even for Soros

I think the right answer is that counting votes is so central to out democracy, it should be a civic agency's responsibility, not in the (for-profit) private sector.

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Junkdrawer

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:45 AM
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4. In a REAL democracy, that would be the correct answer...

Our "democracy", however, is a phony as the sets of Rock Ridge in Blazing Saddles

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Hubert Flottz

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:45 AM
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5. People don't trust any Government Agency's to tell the truth now!

If they still do they are nuts!

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BlueEyedSon

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:48 AM
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6. And you would trust another Enron to do it?

Arguably, the distinction between corporations and Government is quite blurred in todays proto-fascist environment.....

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Pobeka

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:49 AM
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7. The post said to only buy *one* machine.

Not a big financial hurdle. The hurdles would be beaurocratic and political.

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BlueEyedSon

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Tue Nov-09-04 08:56 AM
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8. Right, my bad, i answered the wrong question.

Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 08:59 AM by BlueEyedSon

I saw Soros' name and jumped to a conclusion (yesterday on DU someone else suggested that Soros buy Diebold).

Why reverse engineer? Whats wrong with http://open-vote.org/ ?

Testing is what the machines need, and they have already failed. I saw Howard Dean and Bev Harris change the vote count in 90 seconds on TV.

There is also evidence that the acceptance testing was fudged.

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TryingToWarnYou

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Tue Nov-09-04 11:55 AM
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9. Reverse engineer would answer the question of the mystery code

Its proprietary so maybe we would learn why they dont want anyone to know about it.

I wanted to even suggest that the FEC create ONE machine that does the electronic voting for the entire country so that it can be more closely monitored. Seriously, we can put man into space, perform delicate brain surgery and other feats of daring do, but when it comes to creating a machine to do simple addition and subtraction, its somehow become a major technological hurdle? Im sorry, but Im not buying it.

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