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Dem Agog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:45 AM
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Thanks to Keith My Husband Believes Me!!!
My husband has been thinking that my rantings about election fraud were the rants of a loon until I forced him to watch Olbermann on Countdown.

Now? Hubby still thinks I'm a bit of a loon but he no longer thinks I'm totally crazy. He also made an interesting point (the mere fact that he contributed an opinion means he's listening, processing and seeing the truth). He thinks that if this story gets legs it will be because of the print media not the television media.

He also realized that if the election results are invalidated and proven fraudulent, it will make us look like even bigger idiots in the world than we already are. I asked him what he'd rather: A fraudulent election uncovered and fixed, or four more years with this criminal and Democracy killed in favor of a one-party system?

He saw my point.
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:47 AM
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1. my hub too!!!
I stood there, almost with my arms up in victory... I spoke to another friend who said she stood there and kept hitting her husband, "see...see???" Are wives more believing?? I don't think so...
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BayStateBoy Donating Member (562 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:48 AM
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2. Hubby is Right. We Need to Target the Print Media
Here is an editorial that I am writing. Long for a LTE, but free to anyone:
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The dust has barely settled on what in America passes for a democratic election, and already the air is heavy from the smoking guns in Ohio and at Election Fraud Central (Florida). The brilliant Presidential puppeteer, Karl Rove, has mistakenly assumed that winning at any cost would legitimize an incompetent, divisive, and arrogant President and endear him to the bosom of America and the embrace of history.

The history of voting in America is the history of vote recounts and rigged elections. Sadly the former is impossible in about 1/4th of precincts where electronic (BBV) machines are used which leave no paper trail or permanent record. One needs to use the permanent record qualifier because not all electronic voting systems fail to leave a paper trail. Voting by such means is like making a bank deposit for which no receipt is received and about which the institution retains no hard copy. An election that cannot be audited is a bogus election. It is a felony on democracy and should be eradicated permanently from the electoral landscape (S 1980, HR 2239).

A key ingredient in the Bush Election Juggernaut is the smear campaign against exit polls. First of all, exit polls are like the canary in the coal mine. They are the election red flags historically and consistently accurate to less than 2% of subsequent vote tallies and often accurate to 0.1%. They are so accurate that in Europe elections are called on the basis of the exit polls. In America we never had any “wrong” exit polls of consequence until Election 2000, and then, only in Florida. The most common reason for exit poll discrepancy is not sampling error or intentional skewing, but failure to count votes.

On November 2nd exit polls were done in 18 states throughout the voting cycle including sets of 4 each in Ohio and Florida which showed John Kerry winning comfortably to a statistical probability of victory of 99.9982%. Of course that does not prove fraud but it does set off alarms all over the landscape. What is indisputable and for which no logical explanations have been forthcoming are the following: (1) Exit polls closely correlated with vote tallies in every state except in those states using BBV machines or states like Florida that use electronic voting plus optical scanning; and (2) in every instance of exit poll and vote tally discrepancy, G.W. Bush was the recipient of the extra votes and never John Kerry.

The Bush vote “bounce” ranged from about +3% to +8% being +6% in Ohio and +7% in Florida. The statistical odds of Bush reversing the exit poll results have been calculated by an MIT statistician as 1:50,000.

Those vote inflations are just the beginning of the story. Winning Ohio for Kerry was a stretch, but most strategists agree that Kerry should have won Florida or had a razor thin margin despite the “hurricane sympathy votes” and the Hispanics. But Florida is the Bush Family Fiefdom and it is only common sense not conspiracy theorizing to believe that Jeb Bush would do anything to guarantee his Brother's success. And we must remember that the BBV and Optical Scanning machinery is made by Diebold and ES/S Systems whose CEO’s back Bush with one (O’Dell) even on record in 2003 as saying that he would do anything to guarantee a Bush victory in Ohio.

Florida is about equally divided between BBV machines and optical scanners (leave paper), but the three biggest Democratic counties, Broward, Palm Beach, and Miami-Dade have no paper trails making a recount impossible. Even more disturbing is the fact that both Miami-Dade and Palm Beach reported a total of 142,753 more votes cast for President than registered voters in the counties. In total 237,522 more votes were counted in the State of Florida than were cast. On Nov 8th the Florida Department of Elections erased all those discrepancies from its website. Any state that wipes out 1/4 million votes like that should be audited for that reason alone.

However, the differential between the registered voters and the actual votes is vastly more skewed for the Florida counties using Optical Scanning than BBV. Republicans gained 128.45% in counties using optical scan voting machines while Democrats had a -21% loss (yes, that is negative 21%). Some districts in Florida showed gains over 400% while one, Liberty County, gained over 700% for Republicans. Of course, some of this may be due to heavy voter crossover, but this situation begs for a recount (with the only caveat being that many don’t consider optical scans as true paper trails because they can be reconfigured once in the computer).

If there were voting fraud in Florida one can almost be certain that a practice run was made before election 2004. Indeed, a Mr. Fisher who was a candidate from the 16th Florida District has submitted to the FBI information that he claims not only proves that the central computers were hacked, but who is responsible, how it was accomplished, and how they did the same thing successfully back in 2002. Certainly, the computers are highly vulnerable to hacking as demonstrated several days ago by Bev Harris of the nonpartisan group BlackBoxVoting.Org and Dr. Howard Dean.

In addition to hacking, computer voting machines are also highly vulnerable to counting backwards (Broward); having touch screens default to the incumbent even if one uses the hard point of a pencil eraser (Palm Beach & Sequoia - continued all day long); manufacturing votes for Presidential candidates (Palm Beach: 542,835 votes for President with 454,427 voters turning out including absentees); and losing votes. The list is almost endless. For the good of the nation, so should be voter questions and legal challenges.

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mainer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 09:48 AM
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3. Hey! Ditto here! My husband finally believes it!
I played him the clip from Keith's Monday show. Before that, my hubby thought I was getting too involved with the tinfoil-hat crowd. But after he watched Keith, he just looked at me and said that he was really, really depressed. It's one thing to think that Bush won fair and square. But somehow it seems far, far worse that this country has been robbed blind, and we're helpless to stop it.
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maxsmom Donating Member (113 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:15 AM
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5. So glad to see I'm not the only one
whose husband thinks she's gone off the deep end! My overwhelming curiosity and desire to try to find out what is going on, and to try to make some sense of this madness, has become a real source of contention in my household. It's comforting to know that I am not alone.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 10:10 AM
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4. thats great...i'm not married
but some of my friends thought i was a tin-foil hatter until last night...is kieth planning on hitting these stories again today...I HOPE SO!
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jasmineblue Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:12 PM
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6. I hear you all!
My husband said he was worried about me not trying to get my mind off this! He even tried to get me to watch movies this weekend. I watched them alright...looking around the corner into the living room, while sitting here trying to absorb all I could from DU! After seeing Keith last night, he said we should be looking for ways to paid to do this! I couldnn't stop doing a victory dance either!
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:49 PM
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8. Hi jasmineblue!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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jasmineblue Donating Member (56 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:10 PM
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9. Thanks newyawker99!!
:)
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Norquist Nemesis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:20 PM
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7. Told my husband a couple of days before the election
that it's the electronic voting machines that had me worried more than anything else. Especially the ones without paper trails. He thought I was being "extreme" again. Then I said, "It only takes one whacko programmer in the right place to put the code into a whole lot of machines." His response was, "Then they'll invalidate the election."

I told him that's a real problem... the Constition does not allow another vote. If it goes to the Supreme Court, all they have to do is look at the Constitution and say, "Nope. Nothing there about rights to have another election" let alone the screaming that would occur due to the cost associated with it. (ummm...who would be paying that? Taxpayers, giving the fiscal conservatives plenty of fodder)

After that he said, "OK. Now you've got me scared."

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Shopaholic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 04:15 PM
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10. I think that's what the Repugs are counting on--
that people just don't want to know the truth--it's just too much for them to process. I mean, hell, we've even got Al Franken who basically acts like he doesn't want to know about it because he thinks we're coming off as insane. But damn--we've got evidence!!!! And even the LA Times stepped up today and did a (little) story on the problems. It's a start. We've got to keep the pressure up. Must dash now--time for me to send my daily "love" mail to Keith! BTW-I bet he'd think these were funny stories about how his story got your hubbies and SO's and friends to believe too!
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