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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:01 AM
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OMG, BUSH'S PLEA FOR DEM VOTES WAS TO PROVIDE PLAUSIBLE DENIABILITY!
While watching Olbermann reporting all the dem counties that mysteriously flipped to Bush, it hit me; Bush's strange plea to democrats late in the campaign was a preemptive cover for the unprecedented voting anomalies to follow. Team Bush saw the numbers, knew they would have to steal it, and now will claim that huge numbers of democrats responded favorably to the campaign's appeal for their votes. WE'VE BEEN HAD!
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:02 AM
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1. No shit!
:wow:
dbt
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:17 AM
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11. Heh, guess I'm a bit slow n/t
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dbt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:42 AM
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17. Not at all!
My little cartoon jaw was on the floor, because you may well be correct! No insult intended!!!!

:hi:
dbt
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:53 PM
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23. Ah... NP dbt.
;)
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berner59 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:03 AM
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2. I love it...
All the little pieces are falling into place... How are they going to call us all to the witness stand though for the trial???
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:03 AM
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3. WE haven't been had...
Though the lazy media might yet spew this crap.
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DoBotherMe Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:04 AM
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4. Yup, who said it? "Everything they
do is politically motivated." They have no position other than winning. They just like to play games. There are serious issues facing the country and the world and they play games. Sickening.
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NJ_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:05 AM
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5. Think... What was the last Chimpy message...

Before the election?

It was something like "You will be alone in that voting booth so do the right thing"...

The moment we heard that, we knew he was up to something... Then we saw the numbers...
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:05 AM
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6. Yeah, we heard him and went home to his kind, loving arms.
What do you mean, We've been had!? I thought you knew that. But it wasn't because of anything George said. We didn't buy his smarmy line.

Just because they say something does NOT make it so even if they say it does.
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Gman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:05 AM
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7. They said all along that the only way it could be stolen is if it was
a very close race. It was and then The Plan was implemented.
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RevCheesehead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:08 AM
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8. I believe it - and here's why:
In the last week or so of the campaign, the * campaign dropped nearly all of its regular ads, and switched to "in the privacy of the voting booth.." ad. At least, here in NE Wisconsin.

Is this true of other "swing states?"
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NJ_Lib Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:14 AM
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9. Exactly...

He was setting us up... That way they could say: "Hey, Chimpy's message worked"...
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H2O Man Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:40 AM
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16. Take it a step farther ....
the "polls" that showed that blacks were turning towards Bush were part of the ploy. This election was stolen, and it was accomplished with the help of tv.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:16 AM
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10. All those Dem counties did not mysteriously flip to Bush.
They have voted Republican for President since at least 1988 and probably before. They are called Dixiecrats and like Zell Miller they want to die Democrats just like their mama and daddy.

I'm sure there is fraud out there somewhere but lets not waste time with this debunked aspect of it. That makes anything we do find less credible. The same with the graph of deviation of exit polls from actual votes. Some states that are listed as no paper trail have a paper trail.
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bacchant Donating Member (747 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:21 AM
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12. So the Olbermann report was misleading or erroneous? n/t
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:55 AM
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21. The media? Wrong?!!?! Never!
Just because we like someone doesn't make them flawless.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:33 AM
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13. Oh really? It's been debunked?
First, please direct me to where I can see that ALL 29 of these heavily democratic FL counties voted republican since 1988. Secondly, why was it imperative that Bush stop the recount in FL 2000 where all of these counties had their votes counted by hackable electronic machines? Third, the graph showing the deviation of exit polls from actual votes does not refer to "paper trails" but does refer to votes being counted by electronic machines.

Thanks in advance for your answers.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:47 PM
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25. I believe I said they didn't ALL mysteriously flip.
Edited on Tue Nov-09-04 03:48 PM by Kerryfan
Please read what DUer Rawstory has on his site, which is very good. I continue to say I think there was some fraud, but we need to quit recycling the same old stuff after it has been proven to be suspect at best.

The graph I referred to did indeed compare the deviation of exit polls to actual vote in states with and without paper trails. Optical scanners do leave a LARGE paper trail and I voted on one in Wisconsin but Wisconsin is listed on this graph as a state without a paper trail. That was my only point.

Rawstory has also said there is not a decernable difference between the deviation of actual from exit states with or without paper trails. I would guess the reason he was able to do this is that he actually did some investigating and found out which counties did or did not have a paper trail, rather than rely on this bogus graph that has been passed on to everyone and their sister.

I will repeat as I have in about 15 posts now, I too believe that there is some fraud here, BUT WE CAN'T KEEP PASSING ON THE SAME JUNK
FOR ALMOST A WEEK without hurting our case with serious people.


Here is the link to Rawstory. http://www.bluelemur.com/index.php?p=403
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Meritaten1 Donating Member (241 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:36 AM
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14. More circumstantial evidence...
Remember, at most of his campaign "rallies", the audience was limited to the Republican faithful. Why would anyone who wanted to reach out to members of another party do that?

There are many instances of exclusion, e.g. even three ladies who wore "protect our civil liberties" shirts to one rally were invited to leave (too disruptive a concept, apparently). (Sorry, I don't have the cite for stories covering that incident, but it was widely reported and links appeared at http://www.buzzflash.com)

Other instances of exclusion:

See e.g.:"Bush-backers-only Policy Riles Voters at RNC Rallies" (August 9, 2004), was online at: http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/204/08/09/bush_backers_only_policy_riles_voters_at_rnc_rallies/ cited at: http://www.opednews.com/wade_081204_perception.htm

(A veteran who had been given a ticket to attend a Bush rally in Iowa was allegedly escorted out by the local police when it was discovered that he was not a registered Republican.)

Real inclusiveness there, no?

Many others examples, including:

"Staging of Presidential Campaign Events Reaches New Level" (August 18, 2004), was online at: http://www.duluthsuperior.com/mld/duluthsuperior/news/politics/9436078.htm

(Voter who had stood in line for a ticket for herself and her husband allegedly asked to leave without admission when she responded to a questioner that she did not support Bush)

See e.g.: "Ticket Ripped Because of Sticker" (August 17, 2004) was online at: http://www.record-eagle.com/2004/aug/17mead.htm

(High school social studies teacher allegedly refused admission to a Bush rally because she wore a small sticker on her blouse advertising the Democratic ticket.)
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ChavezSpeakstheTruth Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:38 AM
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15. Yeah so now what?
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:43 AM
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18. 110K votes X 31 states = 3.41 Million
tweaked numbers in "safe states" that would not be questioned or looked at.. Everyone's looking at Ohio, and the "mandate totals" were harvested in 31 states... maybe even more states than that.. It would be "safe" for them to harvest a few extras in VERY blue states that have republicans in charge of the voting machinery...if kerry woon big, they could still justify the extra Bush votes...

The mandate HAD to happen..That;'s why Rover beat a path to Ohio and back to DC on election day,.. The exits were not in synch...

I would love to see the phone records for that day :(
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:50 AM
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19. Stop focussing on those Florida counties.
They went for Bush last time. They're Dixiecrats.

If you keep pushing this point, we will be discredited- and so will any media figure who decides to stick his/her neck out and look into the subject.

There are plenty of solid examples of potential voter fraud. We should focus on the strongest, or the Republicans will dismantle one weak point and people will disregard all the strong ones.
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KC21304 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:51 PM
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26. Amen.
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bif Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:53 AM
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20. Why don't they do a revote in Ohio?
This time with a paper trail?
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theboss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 11:56 AM
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22. Revote? You mean a do-over?
That would be interesting.
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in_cog_ni_to Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:56 PM
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24. I say revote any place in this country where the votes are skewed.
VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!

VOTE WITH A PEN AND PAPER!!!!!!!!!


and have FBI agents count the fucking votes! :7
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Bozos for Bush Donating Member (821 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:51 PM
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27. You're right! he knew going in there would be fraud.
Brilliant deduction, awake..you're definitely not asleep today.

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