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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:19 PM
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Is this underlying paranoia for real ??
I sense it in myself and my friends. There is an uncertainty that cannot be explained. It is unpredictable. Almost like a subconscious fear. Paranoia, if you will.

Is it brought on by fear-mongerers and "Bush haters" or is there more to it? Have we seen it in action? Do we know how far these people will go? Do they really have the best intentions? Or, are they for power and money and the rest be damned?

Is htis paranoia unfounded?
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:20 PM
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1. Um, with all due respect.
What are you talking about?
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kentuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:27 PM
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8. If you're not paranoid...
then you would not understand the point. Never mind. :)
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The Backlash Cometh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:29 PM
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11. But, but, I am paranoid. Really I am!
Sheesh. I can't get into ANY organization. Something must really be wrong with me.
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Goldmund Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:21 PM
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2. Does who have the best intentions?
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bowens43 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:21 PM
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3. It's not paranoia if they are really out to get us.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:22 PM
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4. Nope, I think we are avery justified
by the way, there is soemthing else going on, many of us are now refusingg to do ANY busines with republicans.

They are being told this in their face

They are also being told that we wil NOT buy christmas gifts, which is the majoroty of the income for most businesses

They are also being told that when they need help, we won't

So they are shcoked at the reaction

By the way, yesterday I went to a local store, and I mean local, teh owner said that he was shcoked, he has seen an incrase in bussiness since the election
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:29 PM
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about time
we've been arrested for wearing political t-shirts at the mall, refused parking and service in restaurants for having a Kerry bumpersticker and singled out for harrassment for carrying picket signs.

It's about time that we take the battle back to those bastards.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:35 PM
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14. Well I gave it to a former friend yesterday
we were thinking of using him for some art, no more he voted for Bush

What shocks him is... he has gotten this reaction from way too many people.

He even said this could lead to a civil war

He was shocked when I said, "so be it."

They started it, they have sown winds and they will reap a whirlwind
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MuseRider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:22 PM
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5. I'm not sure about
paranoia but I am sure uncomfortable in my own skin these days. It was bad before, now it is worse. Uncomfortable everywhere, perhaps I will adjust but I am not liking it very much.
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:28 PM
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9. I think this sums it up
Uncomfortable in my own skin. I know that is how I feel.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:24 PM
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6. have you read up on ashcroft, ashcroft for supreme crt
erry falwell declaring king of the land. i dont know what do you think. hey kentuck, i think it is well grounded and clearly expressed and so fast too, after the election. i think there clearly is a man date going on. success or not, who is to know
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lovedems Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:26 PM
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7. I think it is legit.
The kind of fear I have isn't the Bush fear of, "Terrorists want to kill you. We are going to be attacked if we don't win!" fear. My fear is economic and social uncertainty of the future. The dollar tanking, constitutional amendments, prayer in school, having my retirement determined by the stock market, further environmental rollbacks, etc. It doesn't matter which issue this administration tackles first, they all suck and that is what scares me.

I have 4 kids so I am not sure if I am more scared for myself of more afraid for them.
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bunkerbuster1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:40 PM
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16. My fear is a little different.
I'm fearful of what this past week is doing to ME.

Last night I had a little glimpse of just how blackened my own heart has become. Our neighborhood's homeowner association was about to have its annual meeting. I knew that one of the issues likely to arise was that of some commercial rezoning that would affect some of my neighbors a few blocks away.

These neighbors would be going from what they have now--a decent greenbelt, perhaps 100-200 feet thick, protecting them from the noise of a nearby highway--to an up- close-and-personal look at the rear end of retail stores.

There was a time when I would've been out there helping them fight City Hall, figuring we're all in this together.

Ya know what I thought instead? "Fuck 'em. They probably voted for Bush. They deserve to get ass-fucked by Corporate America. Enjoy it, you goddamned rednecks."

WTF is happening to me?
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ladjf Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:29 PM
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10. I believe what you are attributing to paranoia is a natural
sense of skepticism about the Government. That includes the Congress,
the Supreme Court, the Presidency and most definitely the voting process. Almost half of the Country has lost trust in the Government.
For all practical purposes, Democracy is over.

If we were all wrong about Bush and his people and he was totally
honest, his first priority would have been to address this loss of trust and to take every step possible to rectify the problem. His
first speech would have addressed this. "People, I can see that many of you have lost trust in the government. The number one priority will be to regain that trust. We will open the books on the energy meetings, the memos before 9-11, all CIA and FBI reports and most importantly, we will commission a bi-partisan group of informed citizens, chaired by President Carter to study our voting system and to make recommendations on how the system could be made trustworthy.
The findings of that commission will be implemented in time for the 2006 mid-term elections, regardless of the cost. I hope that such reform will re-establish a sense in every American that their vote will be counted."

Has Bush said one remark about the fact that 50% of the people no longer believe in the integrity of his administration? He campaigned in 2000 on the promise to restore integrity to the office of the President. Did he just mean that he wouldn't have sex in the oval office? We need more restoration than that.

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lectrobyte Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:29 PM
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12. Once they have you asking the wrong questions, they don't
have to worry about answers.

You hide, they seek.

Paranoids are not paranoids because they're paranoid, but because they keep putting themselves, fucking idiots, deliberately into paranoid situations.
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chiburb Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:30 PM
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13. Paranoia? They haven't hidden one item of their agenda
Over the last 4 years. As Krugman has pointed out numerous times, their plan is to strip the US of anything that resembles or smells like Roosevelt's New Deal. Ultimately it's about removing all social safety nets and removing any pretense of "democracy" in favor of "capitalism"... or, making an even wider divide between the haves and have-nots.

What's to be paranoid about?
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Philostopher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:36 PM
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15. Not the way the real right-wing wackos and Talibornagains ...
are attempting to demonize us over here on the left, it ain't. Not that it's anything new, mind you -- they've been doing it since Reagan coined the phrase "welfare queen" to encourage his smug, comfotable worshipers to go ahead and be racist, it was okay. Once you got people over the 'hump' of treating everybody as human, you could convince them to consider anybody subhuman -- and that's where we're standing today, I think.

These folks who have allowed themselves to be deceived into believing Bush is a Godly man hate us. I know, I know -- some folks will say 'hate' is too extreme a word, but I don't think it is -- or, if it is now, it won't be forever. It's what the far right is, ultimately, after.

They cannot deal, ideologically, with people who won't just agree with them and march in lockstep. In some sense, I believe, it's envy -- they envy others their lack of religous guilt, and they cannot handle their fear of anything that isn't complete conformity. The only way to get rid of us is to convince others who aren't quite as bad off psychologically as they are that we really are not just normal people who disagree with their ideology, but that we're demonic and evil. Now that they have 'Captain Mandate' up there, that will be Phase II.

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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:48 PM
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17. as a gay man, I'm not being paranoid . . .
they've found, in 11 states, that demonizing me is a winning issue . . . think they'll stop now? . . . I'm not paranoid; I'm scared . . .
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sui generis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 02:57 PM
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20. stand and fight
Remember that many decent people voted against those measures and they are on your side.

Who IS on your side: universities, many large employers, city governments. Who is NOT on your side: the state.

So, get a lawyer. Make sure you understand what the new laws imply for disposition of your assets in the event of your death (you may not be allowed to designate your partner as a beneficiary). If you have children, adopted or otherwise, be sure you understand the impact to them. Get a crystal clear understanding of real estate rights if you live with a partner. Call your life insurance company. Get a contractual statement in writing from them that they intend to honor your designated beneficiary. If they refuse, have them refund your premiums plus reasonable interest or sue the living shit out of them.

And I am going to recommend something illegal here: get your money out of the U.S. for the time being. If you've already paid U.S. income tax on it, you can do relatively whatever the hell you want with it, including keeping it from being assessed as part of your final estate.

Take occasional trips to Lichtenstein with up to $10,000 in cash and deposit it. Canadian and Mexican banks have reciprocal agreements with the U.S., and you can bet that if you have assets here they will be subject to seizure if someone decides to play nasty.

And finally, get in the face of every lawmaker, city councilman, ombudsman, philanthropist, state and national representatives and senators, and BE RELENTLESS.

We're not just fighting for ourselves. We're fighting for those who will follow. We're fighting real evil and we have to suck it up and stand tall and be Americans and fight for our freedoms even though the "enemy" is your neocon neighbor shopping in the supermarket aisle right next to you. I know it's not convenient, and it seems horribly unfair that it isn't someone else's fight, but we all have a role to play to overcome this cultural stupidity and bigotry.
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Minimus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 12:50 PM
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18. everyone is talking about our paranoia behind our backs
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SnowGoose Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 01:02 PM
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19. In light of the following quote, you tell me...
From: http://www.hypocrites.com/article3387.html

"We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed too," pundit Ann Coulter told this month's meeting of the Conservative Political Action Conference. "Otherwise they will turn out to be outright traitors."

Appearing on Fox News a few days later, Coulter acknowledged the statement and bragged that it had been a "huge hit with the audience," an estimated 3,500 who turned out for the three-day conference in Arlington, Va., that bills itself as the nation's "premier annual gathering of conservatives."
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-09-04 03:44 PM
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21. It's the disconnect between appearance and reality
Knowing what we know (this govt. is corrupt on a level never seen before, the election was probably rigged, the war is a travesty, B** is ignorant, can't talk, lost the debates, yet somehow is STILL in office, ETC.) it is just plain BIZARRE that we can watch the news and be told that everything is fine! "Oh, this is just normal life! B. is a regular, decent guy! We're winning the war against the terrorists! Why are you liberals always freaking out over something?"

Makes you wonder what the hell is going on behind the scenes. If my spouse came home with a huge wad of thousand-dollar bills, a black eye, and someone else's shirt, and said, "What? What -- I always have this much money! Why are always freaking out?" I'd be very, very paranoid.

It's a normal reaction to being deceived.
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