Nader to Kerry/Edwards: Wake up!

Washington, DC: Ralph Nader issued a challenge today to John Kerry and John Edwards to follow through on their post-election promise to the American people to make sure every vote counts, starting in Ohio. In his own introductory remarks to John Kerry's concession statement, John Edwards said, "In America it is vital that every vote count, and that every vote be counted."

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Ralph Nader calls upon John Edwards and John Kerry to be serious about their post-election promise: "Our offices are being flooded with faxes and e-mails asking for assistance in resolving these irregularities - a lot of them are citizens who voted for you. You must now take action to give our nation the fair accounting it deserves from the 2004 election and to protect democratic processes in future elections. Although your party extended considerable funds and manpower to drive us off the Ohio ballot, in the spirit of good government, I urge you to make this effort now."
http://www.votenader.org/media_press/index.php?cid=401

Stop kowtowing to business interests

Thanks for all your "help" so far, but we would prefer that you just disappear.

Thank you,
Earth

attention to. Nader has a good point - they promised to fight and are needed to fight. So - fight, already!

Don't shoot Nader on this one. We need him to stir the pot a bit.

to say it how it is. Kerry/Edwards are the ones who just disappeared.

what people say about him or think about him. I admire that.

He's trying to capitalize on the "conspiracy theory" of voter fraud. If there was any meaningful fraud, don't you think Kerry's 10,000 lawyers would have caught it?

Did anyone let them do what they were paid to do??

I'm sure there are Democratic lawyers out there working on this... you make it sound like they have to have some sort of 'permission' from Kerry of something.

it, do you think that they would have continued on anyway?

he's a loser in the polls and that's not going to change!

we have no idea if kerry and his 10,000 are doing anything and i think it's too early to call him 'one of THEM', which is what my anger phase of grief wants to do... why not drop the negativity and support something positive? jeez.

to fax him as of last Friday and put him on the case. So alot of people did. He is heading a recount in New Hampshire since he was on the ballot. He's trying to prove that the Diebold and Opti-scan machines have been hacked or changed. If he can prove there is a problem, then other fraud cases can be opened in Ohio, Florida and other states where problems occured.

See the other threads on DU about this and it will explain all.

We did not create all these "coincidences" out of whole cloth. You are the one living in some kind of bubble. This will happen over and over and over again until we out these scum. These people have no qualms about stealing an election. Don't you get that? They stole it in 2000 and they did it again. People who would send their operatives, like they did in 2000, to disrupt vote counting that was authorized by the Florida Supreme Court and then brag about it openly, doesn't give a dip-shit about democracy. You know, it just amazes me, but I can fully understand how Hitler got away with what he did. People do not see until it is too late.

Please tell me when the exit polls, before 2000 and Florida, tell me when they have not accurately predicted the outcome of an election. Just one.

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And this coming from someone whose nick is from an Adam Sandler movie.

*boggle*

Thanks professor.

Smart guy.

...candidate?

can't find their ass with both hands (not you Selwynn, as you probably know, but I'm just being safe). Still attacking Nader when it is obvious he is the fearless one. He is the one with the fight in him.

Makes one question the validity of certain memebers zeal.

-- its big. :D

He seems to have a clue about the corporate Dems, after all. Shit..

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very appropriate. Kerry-Edward need to stand up for the sake of people who have done so much to advance their campaign.

No matter how much we were pissed at Nader forr any effect he may have had on taking votes away from Kerry, he was corect in one thing. The system is now so rigged that even voter fraud is not examined in any meaningful way. In spote of the fact of all of the thousands of irregularities that were caught, such as the machines that were reported to have taken Kerry votes and given them to Bush, counties in which more votes were vast than voters to cast them, no one is investigating the entire system, but choosing to define all such a\=occurances as local anomalies in order to avoid a systemic investigation. Nader is correct, those with the power, those ewwho are in chartge of the local governments who support one party or another, thos who are in charge of defining the methods by which we vote now have the power to create the illusion of free elections.
The Bush Administration has turned Josef Stalin into a Prophet...

s not who votes that counts. It's who counts the votes."
- Joseph Stalin

Iit is becoming more and more obvious that those in power are not even interested in counting the votes. Either Democrat or Republican.

I supported Kerry wholeheartedly, but the silence from the Democrats is deafening. Every day, more and more incidents that something has gone terribly wrong with the election process, but those who represent 49 perent of America have not even begun to look at this terrible travesty of an elelction. Unles they are doing something behind the scenes that we do not know about, but I am beginning to concede that Nader was correct in this. Neither party is concerened about the will of the voters, but with their own grasp on power and retention of it.


In fact. I have to say, if I did not so heavily beleive ion the pragmatic need to vote for A Democrat, I would have to say that philosophically and politically I am probably a lot closer toNaders position than any Democrats. He is correct in his staements aboutwhat is happening to the electoral proces. That elections are largely controll;ed by the welathy and corporations and that the average voter has little if any say in the direction that his government takes. We know that REpublicans behave as if once every four years we vote for a dictator, and from that point on, they do not have to consider the wishes of millions of American who do not agree with their platform for the nation, and their instinct is to steamroller over any citizen who dies not support them.

In fact, they are in the perfect position to even break any law they wish with impunity, becasue even if they comitted a high croime or misdemeanor as defined by thre constitution, the majority they hold would mean that COngress would not hold the President accountable for any violation of the law, no matter how serious it was.

At least I knew that Gore was doing something. It made me feel a bit better about it all.

even if they cant contest the election, that they can prove that this election was run fraudulently., and hang the blame for it as high up as they can.

I mean given the results of the contesting of the election in 2000, it would be clear that openly contensting the election results leads to a situation that allows the thiefs to clean up the evidence. Working behind the scenes in order to prove fraud woul eneable the investigators to work witohut interferrence, butI also think that is is hard on those of us who want something to be done, but do not see anything happening. We could be hoping that something is being done while nothing is going on at all. And that prevents us from doing things we could be doing now to at least make it ias hard as possible for the religious fanatics to operate at all.

It's just....hard work waiting. It's hard work uncovering fraud. I read on the internets about fraud and I know it's hard work.

we'll take help from ANYONE

BUT, this is nader's forte' and we need his help.

Edwards was the one who was talking about counting every last vote, and was the guy who came out on election night. Kerry has taken more of a backseat on the challenging front, and appeared to have all but given up. Edwards seemed to be holding back his urge to fight.

I could see it in his demeanor, his eyes. He didn't want to concede an inch. Let's see if Nader can get any reaction.

Call them out! 'Bout time somebody besides us did.

He said he'd fight for us. It's time. We're in the trenches with no body armor! Dammit, fight for us!!!

You're irrelevant.

We need that "in" to get our message out. He's not irrelevant in this fight.

time to put down the cumbersome and unattractive grudges and support the man's effort! give him a chance to redeem himself and quitcherbitchen for crying out loud! any port in a storm i say. he has nothing personal to gain from this! wise up!

It's not like Kerry and Edwards are making a peep.
Kerry says we should all play nice and follow our glorious leader Bush.

himself. He has nothing to gain. We can recount till the cows come home - Nader ain't going to win.

I'm going to throw money his way if it gets this recount out in the open.

Fuck it. I am going to help him since he's willing to help me.

I truly don't.

Even if the Democrats are wrong about this, it's important to ask the question.

Nobody is hurt by holding a bright light up to the counting of the votes.

and maybe wear sackcloth and ashes while we're at it.

... then he's not wholly irrelevant.

*sigh*

that i was happy to see nader open his pie-hole!

this could validate his existance!

go ralph!!!

That's for sure. Plus, we need him. If he gets the ball rolling, then by all means: GO RALPH!!

i think he's showing some scruples here! there is no need for him to do this and he won't really benefit, except if he helps to expose something horribly wrong then we will call him st. ralph! woot! i support finding the truth about this election. if it takes sleeping with the devil, so be it!

If he wants to bear the battle flag, I'll be right behind him to support the fight.

At least he IS fighting.

If they're really doing nothing...

Do ya'll hear Randi? Nahh... This isn't fraud... Let's bend over a little lower...

anything about it. Sorry.

He's wanted the Presidency all of his life. Think how he must feel. I'll bet he's devestated.

Having said that...GET OVER IT, KERRY!

You're country freaking needs you. Turn that boat around and fight! don't leave us in the water with the bullets flying!

do I have this nagging, gut feeling that they're doing nothing...?

Al Franken makes me sick... And I was a big fan... It's one thing to not want to get our hopes up but to say he doesn't believe fraud took place? Is he nuts? Why make such a statement NOW?

guys don't have the last word.

So what? So what that Franken doesn't believe fraud? Who cares? We move onto the next person who will listen. Olbermann believes there was fraud. We have some Congressmen who believe. Many people believe that there was fraud.

Al is funny but he's not the be-all, end-all.

was legit? Oh please, no, Al, that can't be. I know he was depressed, but that's no excuse to put his brain in the coat check room.

This is hard to believe.

That said, I applaud his efforts in this endeavor.

Im grateful you are.

Thank you***

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And then at noon you caved in and gave a concession speech. Say what?! I heard that you were under pressure from "members of (your) own party to concede for the good of the nation." What the hell is that supposed to mean?

How can it be good for our nation to be subjected to four more years of Bush? If you think that a tidy beginning to a national nightmare is more important than a messy beginning to a fresh start for America, why did you bother to run?

Why did you campaign so hard and speak so eloquently about the reign of death and destruction that the Bush gang of thieves is about to intensify, if you couldn't stand a protracted legal battle to uncover voter intimidation and fraud? I volunteered for your election for a month, putting in 78 hours on 25 days canvassing my neighbors (and many more hours calling and entering data). My house is a wreck and my family neglected. I was dead tired at the end, but I would have worked that hard for another month or more if you had led the effort to make our votes count.

You can be sure that if the Republicans had been in your position they would have fought tooth and nail to pull a victory out of defeat. Why didn't you give investigative journalist Greg Palast a million of our donated dollars to run an investigation into black box vote fraud in Florida? Why didn't you send your army of lawyers to fight for every provisional ballot in Ohio? Why did you betray our hopes?

A real leader would have organized a coordinated strategy of legal challenges, popular demonstrations in the streets and a public relations blitz to let the actual votes of the American people be counted fairly. Sound familiar? It's what the Republicans did in 2002, and it worked. I'm not suggesting that we should cheat like they did, but we would have shown an avalanche of activism in defense of the people's right to vote, if you had only led the way.

You had on your side Air America, MoveON, ACT and many more groups who would have joined the fray to make it possible, for the first time ever, to stop and reverse, and possibly rerun, a fraudulent election. Think of how glorious it would have been, how energized your millions of dedicated volunteers would have been, had they actually beaten back another right-wing attempt to steal their democracy!

-more-
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1107-24.htm

His wife needs his attention, but Kerry is another story. Wasn't he supposed to fight for us? Is is too much trouble to look into the reports of counties in which there were more votes cast than registered voters?

And there is over 100% turn-out in more than 1 county, I will be dragged away in handcuffs if you think I'm going away...

You think I'm joking? I'm serious. If that murderer stole this election and it's proven, I will take to the streets.

Over 100% turnout in a dozen or more counties?

Proof enough for me... At the least, it's proof that someone fucked up...

If this turns out to be true, and nothing is done to correct it, I AM TAKING TO THE STREETS!!!

I kid you not....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=972901&mesg_id=972901

:shrug:

As long as someone is willing to fight, then I'll give them some respect.

That and a lot of attention it's getting him.:P

I'll slather him with attention. Hell, I'll build him a damn shrine as long as he keeps fighting for us.

we really have no idea if he is doing anything or not. when you think about it, it's really best for him to stay on the QT about an investigation, if that's what he is doing, until he has some solid proof that will blow * and his minions out of the water and out of the white house. it's still much too early in the game. if it's proven he has washed his hands of the deal, i'll be the first in line to bash his sorry ass:)

and prepare for 08... yet!

Kerry hints White House Run in his future: reports
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/afp/20041109/pl_afp/us_politics_kerry

after me. ;)

Here it is: Nader doing more to save Democracy than Kerry.

Nader, whom, may be an egomaniac but still I know he knows the real deal, and it isn't about "finding unity and healing" with those that are ruining are country. If his being in the race was to be there to call Kerry out/and or make an issue of voter fraud, then his running was far more crucial to Democracy than Kerry's.

I was thinking more about that concession speech-if there were riots in the streets and people were dying, then okay-I could understand Kerry making his plea.

But all we wanted was the votes counted and the TIME it took for that to happen Senator Kerry. How can you ask anyone to vote Democratic or for you again (see LBN) if our votes aren't counted???????

There are more important things than your Senate career, believe it or not.

*And I know some of you are holding faith in Kerry, and I understand. But it hasn't been warranted yet, I would love for you to be right, and he comes through with the eleventh hour "gotcha" to Bushco. But, realistically, I can't hold my breath for that and that's why I'm spending effort NOW on voting issues.

I will take his help any day. Stop picking on him for doing what we wish Kerry/Edwards were doing. I still hope they are attempting to resolve this under the radar, but I'm thrilled Ralph is joining the fray.