please stop bashing those of us in the south

I was born and raised here and grew up with a single mom who always voted Democratic as have i. Were not all a bunch of toothless, sibling fu**ing freaks down here.

We have some of the worst Freepers right here in the Northeast and appreciate the number of vocal liberals who come from "red states."

Know a lot of great people, democrats of coarse but there are a lot of RW nuts, yes some of them are indeed toothless trailer freaks but many look like normal people also (until they start talking).. My county went over 80% Bush...that's how bad it is where I live. Still even here there are a lot of great democrats fighting back all they can..

the same number of Bush voters as we did. Like 60 pct. People seem to forget that even at county level voters were close to evenly divided. In reality they are buying into the repug talking points in my opinion. Take it for what it is...a divided COUNTRY!

but enough to swing an election to fascists. Just like everyone in the Northeast isn't a caring, compassionate, intelligent person. Just enough to swing an election to non-fascists.

But when are you in the South, going to stop bashing the rest of us?

Sorry, but I'm feeling a little thin about the double standard

Those of us who aren't ignorant don't talk about "the rest of you." Aren't liberals supposed to be capable of thought outside of stereotypes? How can anyone, anyone man any kind of statement about "the south?" People down here are like snowflakes, too, okay??

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frustrating always having to be the 'good guy'.

Both sides of my family are from the South and I get shit for being born in California all the time. Have to deal with that 'fruits and nuts' horseshit all the time.

I'm sorry, but you're going to have to provide a link to prove that one.

Just like they aren't REALLY bashing all Christians and other religious people when they say things like, "Fuck the Christians" and "Religion is for weak-minded people".

When they say "Fuck the South," they aren't REALLY bashing you, you're just doubly wrong for being from the South, and then feeling like you're being bashed on top of it.

There are times I think that we're little more than a mirror image of the Freepers. :shrug:

I am a good Sutherner and love cats. Dern Bush stole the election from Kerry. Go Dawgs!

Welcome aboard. :toast:

I was born here and I was raised here and dagnbbit, I am a gonna die here.

Too bad the Dawgs are fixin' to get an ass-whipping from Auburn.

Welcome to DU BTW.

which means I will be able to go downtown Saturday without having to deal with a bunch of red-clad yahoos

The South bashers are just jealous because they can't find good BBQ, don't understand NASCAR and can't get a decent glass of iced tea.

People are just venting their anger. Being from a red state, we have to take it just like our whole country has to take the anger directed at it because of the war.

Sometimes, it bothers me too. But, some of us down here really do deserve it. We gotta work to change that.

We will never change anything if we contribute to the infighting.

to let things roll off of THEIR backs.

I am beginning to get pretty worried about some people's actions. I sure hate to see some of us play into the "hateful, angry, liberal" meme.

But, I can only control myself (sometimes-lol).

Lets face it, people are people basically. We all strive for the same things. And when I bash the south I’m referring to them figuratively and not the physical south. I mean there are many states that I boycott; Florida and Texas are the top 2. But what my main concern is the religious right wherever they might reside. They are the once who will destroy this country.

Don't worry, we don't want your kind here in our state anyway, we would much prefer someone who will come and support our tourism that help feed alot of Dem families.... who knows, one day you may need us and we won't be there... yeah, good idea...DIVIDE!

Maybe I was casting too large of a net when I condemned the South. I really meant the religious south. I have friends in the "South" and they are nice people. But lets get something strait. There is absolutely nothing and I cannot over stress the word NOTHING that the south could ever contribute to the USA.
If I need cheep labor I can go abroad.
If I need food I can go to California or any blue state for that matter.
If I need to see some asshole dressed as a mouse again I can go to Cali. Or go over my uncle Vini’s house when he gets drunks lol don’t ask lol.
If I need the latest technology then its blue again, and I don’t mean IBM.
Lets face if, all the south really contributes to this great land is evangelical preachers. And as soon as we can figure out how to offshore then you are really fucked lol.

You seem to have a more conservative outlook about people in general.

That's okay, I really don't want nor need you in my state, at one time, Texas was blue for many years, we carried alot of other states. Yeah.... go ahead, turn your back.... it'll all come around and bite you on the ass!

Well I believe I know why Texas USED to vote democratic. Its because any Texan with any usable skill moved up north to get a job. And the only Texans left are economic refuges with the exception of maybe Austin. But hopefully there will be a brain drain there as well. However, all of said is not meant to be an attack toward individual in this group. Its more meant towards the religious right that I believe will destroy this country.

You certainly aren't making any friends with other libs or progressives. If you think Texas is going to be the demise of this nation, you sir are seriously fucked!

Pulling together, is key. Destroying our party from within' denotes what we stand for....

There is no pulling together. Your state like Florida is gone. Adios. It’s solidly in the red column. I hate to sound alarmist, but there is 2 Americas. And you have to decide in which one you want to live in. There is no middle ground here. There is no gray area. Idiots like Zell Miller like to go around regurgitating the same shit that "He didn’t leave the Democratic party" or something like that. But you and shit heads like Zell, miss that the rest or the world is going to the future and the south wants to live in 1951. And there is no compromise in that. So the choice is yours my friend. Life in the past or move to the future. And as far as making friends with other progressives goes. Well that has been the problem with us democrats for way too long. We are too dam nice and accepting. I say we start to flex our muscles and start pissing on others. We need a paradigm shift and I say it starts with weeding the meek among us.

is going to make elections an uphill battle for us. The reason republicans win so many states is because liberals and democrats are not spread out enough, and instead we're concentrated in "blue states."

Hypothetically lets say we all move to one state. Well now you have, lets say 150 million people living in one state. Then we are really fucked if we only get the same number of electoral votes that are allotted to that particular state. Even if that state is California, we would still loose. So I guess you are right that more of us need to move there. Because the way the system is currently set up and the way population is shifting further west bound. You will have the few making decisions for the many.

The South has contributed nothing, you say?

Mississippians:
Jimmy Buffett, Van Cliburn, Hodding Carter III, William Falkner, Tennesee Williams, Bret Favre, Medgar Evers, Louise Fletcher, John Grisham, Jim Henson, blues pioneer Robert Johnson, B.B. King, James Earl Jones, Walter Payton, Jerry Rice, Elvis Presley, Leontyne Price, Ray Walston, Eudora Welty, Oprah Winfrey.

Alabamians:
Hank Aaron, Harper Lee, Helen Keller, Jesse Owens, Habitat for Humanity founder Millard Fuller, W.C. Handy, Willie Mays, Coretta Scott King, Joe Louis, Jim Nabors, Lionel Hampton, Rosa Parks, Tallulah Bankhead.

And that's just a few folks from just two states.

I mean the Nazis produces some great scientist too. That is not what I was trying to convey. My point is that the reason America is wealthy today, is not because of the south, but rather because of the blue states.

When was the last time an auto manufacturing plant was built in the United States someplace other than the South?

Two of the largest ports in the United States are in New Orleans and Houston.

The space industry would be non-existent with the Johnson Space Center in Houston, the Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville and the Cape in Florida.

One of the largest shipbuilding operations in the world is in Mississippi. Another is in Virginia.

Birmingham has a top-flight medical center and transplant program that draws patients from around the world.

Florida is a major agricultural producer.

Etc., etc.

First, the only reasons anyone builds auto plans in the south is because of the huge tax breaks they give these companies and the relatively cheap labor because most of these auto plans bar unions.

Second, just because you launch the rockets in shit kicker land, doesn’t mean they are engineered there, Ever heard of JPL Einstein?

Thirdly, ports are so automated these days that I have no idea what that claim to fame means. Other that we have a huge trade surplus with other countries; it facilities them bringing even more stuff over.

Fourthly, I’m not an expert on this, but I would care to bet that the top medical research center are in NE or California and not in bum fuck Birmingham.

If I cared enough I would google stats for the NE and West coast but I’m comfortable in my conclusion that there is no innovation in red states.

It's getting a bit redundant.

I am from Austin, Tx. where our county was 57% Kerry.

I ain't movin' no where..... I am staying right here, I will continue to support dems in my area and national, I will not, however, sit around and let a bunch of people bash me and my state. Give it rest folks.... It's dumb, and serves no useful purpose. Okay?

is winning as our party turns on it's own. This strategy has worked for centuries and it's working very effectively now.


"divide et impera", which translates to "divide and rule".

Effective use of this technique allows those with little real power to control those who collectively have a lot of power.

My parents were born and raised in Oklahoma (they live here in Illinois and are Democrats). Me, my brothers and sister were born in OK. ALL of my Aunts and uncles and cousins live in Texas and LA. Don't take it personally. I don't. We don't think ALL souherners are wacko, RW, religious nutjobs. Just the ones who vote for repukes because they're ignorant. When you see a DUer say something derogative about the south or the people who live there, just know it's NOT YOU. It's not. :hug:

Why all the derogative posts about red-states then? Why do some of you make such sweeping generalizations? If you are not trying to inflame us, then what in the hell are these whiners trying to do?

who DID vote for the idiot. Like I said in my other post. DO NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY. YOU did not vote for the idiot, did you? If you didn't then their remarks don't apply to you.

and if you said that to my face I would whoop yer ass... *grin

Seriously, Austin (Travis county) was one of a few blue counties here in Texas. We supported Kerry by almost 20 percentage points over Bush. There are a whole lot of redneck, toothless, walmart shopping morons here in this state to be sure... but like all red states there are some pretty cool and progressive folks here as well.

Remember Texas used to be Blue as did many other southern states. My grandmother, who died last year at the age of 98, was a life long democrat. There are many like her here and in other places.

In the past those states were blue because of Civil Rights and Labor Laws. They will be blue again when they need health care, are sick of loosing jobs or businesses to walmat, or generally find their basic ability to survive and provide for their family threatened.

Figure out how to leverage those points and the south will be blue again.

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I personally am sorry for the south bashing. It has to hurt our Democratic members.
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I say BASH AWAY AMERICA! It's true! People down hear ain't rite in the head! I should know - I teach their kids (drumroll).

As an entity, the South a a voting bloc has been an enemy of progress, justice, and all decent American values.

I feel sorry for people stuck in shitholes like Alabama. But that doesn't change the overall nature of the beast.

Tell me what the fucking point of this discussion is? It's flamebait, pure and fucking simple!

I feel really bad for those Dems in the south and other "red" states.

Talk about polarization!

Hopefully this will settle down. We need our Southern Democrat brothers and sisters too.

those Bush voters really screwed the pooch.

Wherever they are.


Which brings to mind a question that I, as a southernor, would love to have answered: why don't the people here trash the folk in the DARK RED midwest and west? Utah, Wyoming, Nebraska, Kansas, Montana, etc?

Just wondering.

I think I have to say that due to border war reasons. I'll tell you what's the matter with Kansas. Anyone who consistently votes Rethugs into office has serious mental defects. I say we turn Kansas, Nebraska, the Dakotas, Oklahoma, all back into territories. I don't think they can vote for pres. then.* heeheehee.

*could be wrong, but for the sake of argument, I'm right.

My red state is partially Southern, partially Midwestern. My city (STL) went 81% for Kerry. The state went 54% Shrub.

This black/white red/blue is idiotic.

That being said, I'll take you up on your challenge

Fuck the Rectangular States! (except the 35% Kerry voters)

While I'm at it:

Fuck the Blue States! (except the 55% Kerry voters)

Fuck the Midwest! (except the 40-something percent Kerry voters)

Fuck the Northwest Coast! (no good reason, but I'm from Seattle so I say I have license)

Fuck California (as long Arnold is gov.)

Now I feel better.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2650769&mesg_id=2650769

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Why should I be paying 90% and get stuck with bush too?? As a blue voter in a Red state, I dont understand why you wouldn't want to educate bush voters about that.

We are told now, that this election was about "morality" Odd, since the Red States lead in divorces & teen pregnancies.


Bashing? Like: "Those elitist liberals from Massachuettes"?? Come on, give me a break. Who's been bashing whom?

I see nothing wrong in pointing out the facts. They want bush? fine, then it's time for them to pay their fair share. What's wrong with that?? Seems perfectly fair to me.

If liberals dont correct the erroneus perceptions people have of them, we are doomed. So I don't think we should roll over & let this slide anymore. To the Red States: "Pay up or Shut up" I'm tired of this crap.

Until then, respect our total frustration with your region of the world, because we seriously feel held back by your neighbors.

...were you not paying attention?

Got any more smart remarks?

...to deny the fact that the GOP owns your southern ass.

fine. I'll give you fraud. Then why did they re-elect Jeb overwhelmingly, which set the stage for this fraud?

When will red-state Dems start taking some responsibility for their inability to win over their neighbors????

The only people being treated with resentment at DU are the same hillbillys that half of my southern friends can't stand. Hell, there's even great liberal hillbillys.

I like the south and I like lots of southerners...I just despise quite a few too. So do you...right?

I live in a red state too, and I know what you mean....
One one hand I realize people are just upset and want to throw the blame around, and on the other hand, I'd like to ask them, WTF??
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I really doubt anyone here thinks that everyone living in the south or in a red state is a toothless hick.

don't let people push you around.

Take the 49% nationwide vote and subtract the Democratic votes from the south out of it. Now tell me how you will win any fucking election without them.

And while you are at it BITE MY ASS

it's the abundance of

out of those above the Mason-Dixon line talk about seceding since they are in a 'BLUE' state.


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