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ava27 Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:30 PM
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help me debunk this
Someone told me that blue states cause more pollution than the red states. Is there any information out there that debunks this. Please help. I need this right away.
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Hokie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:32 PM
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1. Tell them this
Texas alone causes more pollution than all the other 49 states combined. Is it true? Who gives a f##%? Let the freeptards spend time trying to debunk it.
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Francesca Donating Member (452 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:32 PM
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2. this is true I believe however
It does not mean that the polluters are dems...
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HawkerHurricane Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:48 PM
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3. Easy answer...
more people live in Blue States than Red States.

Population of California is what, 100 times that of Wyoming? Of course there's more pollution!

There's also more crime (more people), more abortions (more people), more welfare cases (more people)...
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seaj11 Donating Member (506 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:51 PM
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4. here's something
http://www.environmentaldefense.org/dangerousdays.cfm?subnav=aiyc_50cities&linkID=campaign

Notice the cities are in blue states AND red states. It's easy to debunk, although it probably won't sway the person who told you that.
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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 07:52 PM
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5. No need to debunk it, it's true. Wyoming has fewer people than Dallas.
Way fewer. Deserts, forests and cornfields don't make pollution (unless you believe Ronnie Raygun) :eyes:
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:04 PM
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7. Come on over, I am crackin' open a nice jug of ketchup.
Gotta have a veggie with my dinner you know...B-)
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tjwash Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:02 PM
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6. How about registered republicans have...
...higher arrest records for farm animal rape than registered democrats. No one knows if it's true, but let them disprove it.
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maveric Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:07 PM
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8. Delaware may tip the scales to the blues states being more polluting.
Pollution is caused by industry and most of that is in the blue states. Isn't it?
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MissMarple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:08 PM
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9. Blue states pay more in federal taxes than red states
and get back less. Red states are welfare dependent on the largess of blue states.

I don't have a link for that right now, but it was in a Froma Harrop column a day or two ago.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:32 PM
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10. i hear texas is pretty bad, and with help of bush
it is a red state. south texas
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Vickers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:34 PM
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11. Tell them that Dick Cheney has male AND female genitalia
But they didn't want to confuse people by calling him Dick/Pussy Cheney.

:eyes:
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jefferson_dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:48 PM
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13. FUCK OFF AND DIE PUKE-!
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Cleita Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 08:57 PM
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14. Read this about Libby, Montana, a red state.
<snip>
Libby, the county seat of Lincoln County, is located in a valley along the Kootenai River in northwestern Montana. The Libby valley runs east and west with lesser valleys extending north and south along Pipe Creek and Libby Creek, respectively. The Libby valley has a vertical relief as high as 4,000 ft. in some areas and is subject to severe temperature inversions during many times of the year. These physical characteristics lead to the trapping of air pollutants and give Libby the distinction of having possibly the worst ventilation
of any community in Montana <2>. The population in the valley ranges between 7,000 and 8,000 individuals while the town of Libby has between 2,500 and 3,000 persons. The population of Libby has remained fairly stable over the last 30 years.

Strip mining, transportation, and processing of vermiculite ore containing asbestiform minerals was conducted in the area from 1923 until 1990 (Figure 1). A 1982 analysis of raw vermiculite ore from Libby revealed asbestos contamination in the range of 21% to 26% <3>. The vermiculite deposit in Libby is commingled with geologic formations of tremolite <3>, a naturally occurring mineral falling within a class of hydrated silicate minerals known as amphiboles <4>. Fibrous forms of tremolite, along with other silicate-based amphiboles, are commonly referred to as asbestos. While tremolite is not mined for commercial purposes, it is a common contaminant in other commercially mined minerals including chrysotile, vermiculite, and talc <5-7>. <snip>

Read the whole report here.
http://www.atsdr.cdc.gov/HAC/PHA/libby/lib_p1.html

Now I have visited Libby many times and it's a small place in the Middle of a beautiful wilderness on the surface. But underneath the green forest canopy, crystal clear streams and rivers lies some very lethal pollution. The population is suffering from a very high rate of cancer and other diseases because of it.

Also, in neighboring Idaho, there is a fight between environmentalists and industry who are polluting the lakes and rivers with high arsenic and mercury poisoning. Clear cutting the forest is accelerating the pollution because all the poisons from mining and mill operations washes into the rivers and lakes much more quickly when there is no vegetation to absorb more of.

In highly populated states like California, we have many anti-pollution laws and measures in place that keeps the place from turning into a toxic dump, which it would if the pollution industries like the oil refineries were deregulated. So blue states really cause less pollution than the red states who don't have good regulations in place.
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