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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:39 PM
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My upsidedown flag on my website has gotten me threatened!
Check this out!

http://www.domainofarnheim.com/HateMail1.htm

One more email and it's off to the police to report them.
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:42 PM
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1. Just call him on the phone, he'll probably freak out and back off
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 09:42 PM by BlueEyedSon
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:43 PM
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4. I am really amazed
They want me to take the flag down for Veteran's Day but I'm not going to! Fuck them!
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SemperEadem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:35 PM
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66. Didn't an Ian Fleming have something to do with James Bond, 007?
didn't he write the Bond stories or something like that?
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crimson333 Donating Member (760 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:38 PM
Response to Reply #66
67. yep
that was the name of the writer of James Bond
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pa28 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:09 PM
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49. Good idea.
Face to face or ear to ear he'll make such an #sshole of himself he'll be ashamed to bother you again.
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Darth_Kitten Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:43 PM
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2. Report them now.
They sound disturbed, and dumb. :evilgrin:
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:47 PM
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15. One more email and they are reported
I am kinda hoping they'll send something else. ;)

I am not surrendering to these people. I was scared but now I'm PISSED!!
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HuskerDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #15
26. Why wait for one more?
Do it now. Terroristic threats are illegal. Why let them get by with it?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:58 PM
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28. You have a point there, HuskerDem
My husband said the same thing. Guess I am going to report them NOW.

Idiots. Domestic terrorists. That's what they are. I'm going to call a spade a spade.
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The Spirit of JFK Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:06 PM
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44. If he really IS a captain....
His threats can land him in some trouble with the military....conduct unbecoming an officer, probably more. And if he ISN'T, he might be in trouble for impersonating an military personel and/or officer.

Any military folke here know for sure?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:07 PM
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46. Oh, I highly doubt that he's military but you have a point
If he is military, he is fucked if I report him to his commander.
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ObaMania Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:10 PM
Response to Reply #28
51. Yeah, let him see how the gov't he helped install..
.. deals with domestic terror.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:32 PM
Response to Reply #51
60. Hopefully better than they handled the antrax killer
Sigh. Good riddance, Ashcroft.
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Carl Brennan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:43 PM
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3. "Capt. Ian Fleming"? James Bond is gonna whop your ass boy!!

Suggestion: show them some of the topics from here at DU on the voter fraud.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:44 PM
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7. How stupid is that? Capt. Ian Fleming, my ass
The loser probably can't even get laid.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:43 PM
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5. They might wanna cool it with the name calling rheteric
I wonder if they realize how viscerally angry people are? Do they think the (*&&)(*& from people who use long words are any less lethal? Strange...
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:46 PM
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12. Oh, no, I'm sure they don't realize anything
Stupid is as stupid does.

Both say they will leave me alone if I just take down my flag for tomorrow.

Sure, right.

Hubby and I are going to buy a gun. I've had it with these people.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:54 PM
Response to Reply #12
22. I wish we could simultaneously unfurl 1,000,000 upside-down flags
at a specific time on a specific day. OK, freaks - kill 1,000,000 of us now! I'm getting better self-defense stuff too.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:56 PM
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25. I'd unfurl one right beside you, Mr_Spock
They can try to kill us all but they can't stamp us all out.

Truth and love will win in the end.
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:00 PM
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34. I am with you on that.
I am SO waiting for organized methods of protest to be formulated and implemented, one after another. I expect a wave of action starting in the near future.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:04 PM
Response to Reply #34
42. Voted "Most Likely to Be Chained to Something in Protest"
Hate to not live up to that!
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Mr_Spock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:08 PM
Response to Reply #42
47. Hehe - I've got SO many great ideas to make these people sorry they
elected a lying mass-murdering war-criminal. I am chomping at the bit. I'm actually shocked at the lack of leadership. It's tempting for me though I wonder if my kids will miss me when I'm gone?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:28 PM
Response to Reply #47
57. Well, if I see you in the camps, I'll say hi
LOL!
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:44 PM
Response to Original message
6. Ad another bigger one to your site
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #6
20. I added the phrase "Freedom of speech - catch it!"
I am NOT removing the flag. Dammit.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:44 PM
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8. Ian Fleming, as in the author of the James Bond books?
How amusing. Not surprising that the weenie wouldn't use his real name, but that one's a laugher. I betcha there's no 193rd bomber wing, either.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:49 PM
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18. He put that it was the 193th
which I found most amusing.
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Enraged_Ape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:09 PM
Response to Reply #8
50. He also wrote, believe it or not, "Chitty Chitty Bang Bang"
Which may be the last book that idiot ever read.
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pantouflard Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:25 PM
Response to Reply #50
56. Who else would name a character "Truly Scrumptious?"
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:32 PM
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61. I didn't know that
Hmmm. Learn something every day.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:07 PM
Response to Reply #50
72. Wow! I will chalk that up as "what I learned today"
All else may be strange and transitory and open to interpretation, but the common heritage of James Bond and Chitty Chitty Bang Bang is forever.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:15 PM
Response to Reply #8
73. There's no bomber wing at Seymour Johnson AFB!
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 11:16 PM by jmowreader
193rd bomber wing nothing--Seymour Johnson is an F-15E base and only has fighter wings.

On edit: he misspelled Seymour Johnson; it's always entertaining when someone misspells the base they're on. At least he knows where it is.
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dsewell Donating Member (437 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:45 PM
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9. Another site making a strong statement
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 09:45 PM by dsewell
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:59 PM
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29. Wow. I love that graphic.
It pretty well sums it all up.
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The Spirit of JFK Donating Member (528 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:45 PM
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10. From The American President....
"You want to claim this land as the land of the free, then the symbol of your country can't
just be a flag; the symbol also has to be one of its citizens exercising his right to burn that flag in protest."

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L84TEA Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:45 PM
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11. BOY? lmao...
you should say
'You and what ArmY?'
lmao..
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:59 PM
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33. He kept calling me "nigger"
Isn't that considered hate speech which would make this a....HATE CRIME?!?
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L84TEA Donating Member (668 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:19 PM
Response to Reply #33
55. YEAH since he threatened you...
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 10:19 PM by L84TEA
OH maybe he has money! SUE SUE!!
Email him back your home address and send a note that sez "Will leave the light on for ya!" lmao
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pk_du Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:46 PM
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13. First the funny part
...I thought "Seemore Johnsons" was a made-up name from a homophobic bigot with repressed tendancies til i googled the real name.

Now - serious part - I'd report the fuckers NOW.
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:47 PM
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14. Correct me if I am wrong but...
I thought flying the flag upside down was a symbol of the country being in distress not desecration.

I am a veteran myself and if you want to fly the flag upside down so be it.

You have these so called 'patriots' using them as head rags, t-shirts and other crap.

The 'Toby Keith's' of the world whom have never served a day in the military be it active, reserve or guard are just fools who watch to many movies about the military.

They have no clue how the military operates.

When I was in at least 60 % would get out that day if they would have let them.

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:55 PM
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24. I am a veteran as well - I served honorably
I did not serve my country to have to curtail my freedoms. I served to protect freedoms. Screw them. They are ignorant.

My days of hiding are over. If they want to threaten me, then they will be reported. I will NOT negotiate with terrorists.
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indianablue Donating Member (558 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:02 PM
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38. When I was in I was more right wing leading...
I think that was do to the culture and lack of information and free thinking.

I am not a peacenik if the USA is really under threat or attack sign me up!

I was for Afghanistan but not Iraq.


I was active duty in the Navy for six years.

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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:07 PM
Response to Reply #38
45. Army - 2 years, 9 months, 29 days
Injured my knee coming out of a Huey while on a courier mission.

I will fight to the death for this country but I am a pacifist at heart. War as a last resort is my creed.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:47 PM
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16. Sock it to him, that letter IS a threat.
:-(
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:52 PM
Response to Reply #16
21. Apparently these idiots don't understand the law
It protects ME at this point. No freedom of speech for threats.
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berni_mccoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:48 PM
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17. My favorite quote from a hate mailer:
"granted, our election system isn't the best in the world, but name
one that is."

I could say Q.E.D. but the hatemailer is, by observation, too dumb for that, so, I'll explain it for him in slow words:

If our election system is not the best in the world, then by admission, there is a best election system in the world, which, again, by admission, is not ours.

Therefore, I do not need to name one. He has admitted there is a best one, and it is not ours.

Q.E.D.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:51 PM
Original message
Bravo! I love it!!
My husband caught that one too! :)
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:59 PM
Response to Reply #17
32. LOL
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 10:01 PM by ilovenicepeople
Logic of Loser's,or what I like to call Flawgic.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:03 PM
Response to Reply #32
41. "Flawgic"? I'm going to use that!
Sums it up perfectly.
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xpunkisneatx Donating Member (225 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:17 PM
Response to Reply #17
54. no...the best quote is
"e. coli"
WTF? His best insult is to call you a bacterium? I mean, if he was gonna try to insult you, he should at the very least use a GOOD bacteria...Yersinia pestis, Bacillus anthracis, Clostridium botulinum...but he chose pussy e. coli? (sorry...microbiology major)
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:33 PM
Response to Reply #54
63. No, ecoli is his email name
Still pretty stupid.
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BQueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:51 PM
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19. A good slogan on the meaning at this graphics site.
net-friend of mine from a blog posted the link to some of her creations the other day, and one has the upside down flag with "In Distress, Not Dishonor," for those who for some reason have no clue what the symbolism is. (If you want to maybe cut down on the hate mail and educate -- if you want to throw their asses in jail, I'm cool with that, too...)

Other good stuff, too -- the "I did not stand up..." side by side with an American version, "51% is not a Mandate!" yard sign. (more risque "man date" involving chimp and dicky)

http://homepage.mac.com/WebObjects/FileSharing.woa/wa/default?user=jmorganix&templatefn=FileSharing1.html&xmlfn=TKDocument.1.xml&sitefn=RootSite.xml&aff=consumer&cty=US&lang=en

check em' out. I didn't really check her user policy, since I'd probably just print a sign or sticker, but I imagine it's loose (determined to undermine this crap)
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:55 PM
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23. Deleted message
Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.
 
Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:57 PM
Response to Reply #23
27. An upsidedown flag symbolizes distress
If ** winning isn't distress, I don't know what is.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:00 PM
Response to Reply #27
35. No, it means you hate Jesus
haven't you been paying attention?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #35
39. Oh, shit. You are right.
I am in a lot of trouble. Will Falwell be informed?
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:15 PM
Response to Reply #39
53. I doubt fallwell will ever be "informed"
Edited on Wed Nov-10-04 10:16 PM by nu_duer
he was laying out bush's second term ( :scared: ) agenda on cnn a day or two ago.

It was laughable until I realized that bush does indeed have power now, and a (currently) strong claim to power for the next four years, and this hypocrite hater fallwell was saying bush owed him, and the cult, because they turned out the votes to keep him in power. So yeah, this moron fallwell and his gang may well be calling the shots for little hitler, and the held-hostage US.

What kills me is when these delusional goons co-opt the terms "freedom" and "democracy" - ideals they obviously despise.
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Skip Intro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:59 PM
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30. LOL, I couldn't read any further than this
"granted, our election system isn't the best in the world, but name
one that is"

Name one that is best in the world.???

Well, one must be "best" - that's the definition of best.

Did they quit thinking after they graduated potty training?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:02 PM
Response to Reply #30
37. Isn't that a crack up?
My don't I attract the intelligent freepers?

Oh, that's right. There aren't any.
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:47 PM
Response to Reply #30
78. "THAT'S WHAT WE CALL FUCKING DEMOCRACY, JERKOFF"
He does have a point......about fucking democracy.
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Cat Atomic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 09:59 PM
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31. Veterinarian's Day rocks.
Tell Capt. Ian Flemming I loved Dr. No! Write more!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:01 PM
Response to Reply #31
36. lol! I needed that!
I love the spelling errors. They make me feel so happy.
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Lady Effingbroke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:03 PM
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40. I kan spel reel gud BOY!
"Some day out pathes will
cross, and i will bet you like gong BOY."

Wanna bet? LOL!!!
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:05 PM
Response to Reply #40
43. Are "out pathes" scarier when they cross?
I'm never quite sure.
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BQueen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:09 PM
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48. Veterians Day?
When exactly IS that? It it in praise of Veterinarians? that's sweet...

anyway, the "fighter pilot" has made the most direct threat, although I'd include the other stuff with the report in case it's one moron pretending to be two morons.

I'd also probably reply something to the effect of how interesting it is that a Capt in the USAF would not know the meaning of an upside down flag, particularly one stationed at or near a coast.

amazing the level of cultural illiteracy these days. I'm a land-locked flat-lander whose only military connections are siblings and dad, no Navy among them, and I've known the flag protocols as long as I can remember....do they live in their parents' basements or something?
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:30 PM
Response to Reply #48
58. Yes, he's a capt in the AF as sure as I'm the Queen of England
I'm shocked that anyone who can't spell Veteran's would get his panties in a wad over the upside down flag.
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goddess40 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:12 PM
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52. What about the one hanging on the front of my house
it's there for the duration
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:31 PM
Response to Reply #52
59. Uh oh. You are the next one who's pathes he will cross
LOL!
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NavyDem Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:33 PM
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62. Probably not really military, or is too cowardly to tell their real name..
Hello,

Yes, to my knowledge (15 Years US Navy), flying the flag upside down indicates distress, or duress.

If this person is a real soldier (which I doubt), they'd be in a heap of trouble for making such threats...I hope you find out who the person really is.

Sincerely,
Thomas Kangas
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:34 PM
Response to Reply #62
65. Thanks. I doubt that they are military.
If they were, maybe they'd have a better grasp at spelling and grammar.
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NavyDem Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:40 PM
Response to Reply #65
68. Maybe I can help...
Arnheim, I'm a Navy Information Systems specialist, particularly skilled with several aspects of computer security. If you could get me the source emails (including all headers), I will be able to verify if the address came through the military system in any way shape or form. PM me with the info and I'll see what I can do.
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Jo March Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:42 PM
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69. Thank you! I will do that tomorrow
right now I'm off to bed.

You guys have all been great this evening. I feel so much better. It's nice to be among the sane and the literate.
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NavyDem Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:43 PM
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70. No prob...I'll be standing by...N/T
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LittleClarkie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:34 PM
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64. Apparently none of them were in the Navy
Geez, it's a distress signal. Not unpatriotic, just sending a message military style.

D'oh!
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 10:50 PM
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71. These sort of people love the patriot act
I believe they will love it more when they see it close up and personal. Report him.
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Warren DeMontague Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:15 PM
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74. Congratulations, you've been threatened by a 12 year old.

From "Syeymour Johnson AFB"

Well, I'm sure "Captain Ian Fleming" is familiar enough with the laws of this great land to realize that threatening anyone over the internet is a Felony. Probably enough to revoke his "Bomber wings", too.

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Moonbeam_Starlight Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:23 PM
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75. ROFL!
Thanks that actually made me laugh pretty hard.

If that guy is in the military I'll eat my fucking SHOE.

There's no way in hell he'd sign his whole name and put his information. Call that base up, find the fucker. Report him.

Too stupid to know putting the flag upside down is not desecrating it. And too stupid to know how to spell for shit, apparently. Upside down flag = state of emergency.

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karlrschneider Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:35 PM
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76. Give my email addy to this pimply-faced, obese 9th grade dropout
and tell him to say something to me. I'll fly my plane to whereever he is and meet him, and I'll whip the fucker like a rented mule.
krs@valornet.com
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Mike L Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-10-04 11:38 PM
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77. Tell him to stop denigrating the military.
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