Forget Christian Fundamentalists

We will never get them without selling our own souls. Would anyone want to appeal to the architects of the Spanish Inquisition? No! It's the same thing. Their youth may rebel, their not so firm believers may abandon the faith after realizing there is an alternative out there (I don't think all of them realize it now), they may delve more deeply into their faith rather than accept the Falwell/Robertson party line (blessed are the meek etc.) or they may never come around. The hard core believers will not prevail oer the long haul--fanatics never do. Our job is to keep the faith with our own principles, not to change them for the sake of religious fanatics. For shame if we become something we detest for the sake of votes. We are not bush lite. End of rant.

though for this brief time they have bought into the moral demands, because it met their aganda and gave them reason to not listen to kerry or the left.

these are the people we want

We need to go after the fiscal conservatives, the Wall Street players, the investor class. But to keep harping on the fundies is a useless waste of time. They will never change--they will always be moral and intellectual bigots.

keeping a close eye on them. They are far more of a force than you might imagine and they are not going to go away.

It is the oddly covert nature of their political activism in the last ten years that has brought them to the line and they are ready to go over it. If you try to downplay that and are hoping that they are already at the end of their cycle, you may be mistaken.

I agree that we should not change our values to appease them. That is more like surrencer than a victory. We should, however, keep them in our sights and educate our people more about just how influential and determined they are to re-shape our political landscape.

> The hard core believers will not prevail oer the long haul--fanatics never do.

The Dark Ages were a pretty long haul.
They brought us the Inquisition and the Crusades.

Looks like we've got the Crusades already,
can the Inquisition be far behind?

because the knowlege gleaned throughout the ages was lost after the fall of the Roman Empire. The Church stepped in to fill the vacuum. The knowlege of the ages has not disappeared to us, even though RW fundies refuse to listen to it. This is hardly a dark ages epoch. Don't mean to be abrupt, just disagree with you, friend.

the ultra-fundamentalists will never accept the idea of moderation and compromise. They don't subscribe to any kind of live and let live nonsense. They're after total power and domination.

I think this is an issue that is going to have to be met head on. They're gotten away with being radical bullies because of a general reluctance on the part of most people to speak critically when it comes to religion. So everyone, especially political leaders, bends over backward trying to be inoffensive. Trying to avoid the hair trigger accusations of persecuting these simple, god fearing christians.

Except they need to be labeled for what they are: Religious bullies. Counterfeit christians.

The public -- especially the sane Christians -- need to be made aware of how dangerous these religious bullies are. A dislike of bullies is deeply imbedded in the American psyche. And so far these bullies have gotten away with it by pretending to be the victims, meantime their real goal is to destroy our freedom and our way of life, and it's time they're called on it.

Like I always say.....there's a huge difference between religion and God.