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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:54 PM
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86 years later, Cheese Eating Surrender Monkeys remember.
I use that epithet "cheese eating surrender monkey" but be sure that this post is not directed to you american friends of France.
But I guess you can understand how we feel a day like today about that epithet.......

86 years ago at 11Am (french time) the 11th of November 1918 the First World War ended.

"Pity for our soldiers who died. Pity for we alive who were near them, for we which we will fight tomorrow, we who will die, we who will suffer in our mutilated flesh! Pity for us, convicts of the war who had not wanted that, for we all which were Men and who despaired
forever to become Men again" - Maurice Genevoix


Today the cheese eating surrender monkeys remember and honnor the 1.3 million frenchmen who died and the 4.2 who has been wounded, most of the times horribly. Compared to the 1944 US population for exemple it gives 6.5 millions killed.

In memory of my grand-father who fought in Verdun I want to post here.

The battle of Verdun :

"Introduction: The Battle of Verdun is considered the greatest and lengthiest in world history. Never before or since has there been such a lengthy battle, involving so many men, situated on such a tiny piece of land. The battle, which lasted <11 months> from 21 February 1916 until 19 December 1916 caused over an estimated 700,000 dead, wounded and missing. The battlefield was not even a square ten kilometres. From a strategic point of view there can be no justification for these atrocious losses. The battle degenerated into a matter of prestige of two nations literally for the sake of fighting......"

The whole story in english here : http://www.war1418.com/battleverdun/battleverdun11/index.htm

Some pictures of the land of the cheese eating surrender monkeys:

Fort Douaumont before...

....and after


"A French captain reports: ...I have returned from the most terrible ordeal I have ever witnessed. <…> Four days and four nights – ninety-six hours – the last two days in ice-cold mud – kept under relentless fire, without any protection whatsoever except for the narrow trench, which even seemed to be too wide. <…> I arrived with 175 men, I returned with 34 of whom several had half turned insane.... "

An eye-witness: ...There is nothing as tiring as the continuous, enormous bombardment as we have lived through, last night, at the front. The night is disturbed by light as clear as if it were day. The earth moves and shakes like jelly. And the men who are still at the frontline, cannot hear anything but the drumfire, the moaning of wounded friends, the screams of hurt horses, the wild pounding of their own hearts, hour after hour, day after day, night after night....



In Memoriam, Henry mon papy chéri.







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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 04:59 PM
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1. In memory of my Uncle Walter....
younger brother of my Great-Grandfather.

He fought in France in WWI, he wrote in his diary in 1918 (which I was privileged to read) that France was, "The happiest, most free land in the world." He actually mourned for the French girls who had married American servicemen. He said they were going to a life of pain and slavery here in America.

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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:04 PM
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2. My grandfather was an Army medic in WWI in France
My grandfather and yours fought together. And my grandfather was a lifelong, intensely involved, office-holding Democrat. And that "surrender monkey" BS would have really made him mad.
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Rochambeau Donating Member (469 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:38 PM
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6. Of course this thread is also dedicated to the brave US men who suffered
and died during that war. We remember.
This thread is to all of them, British, Russians, Germans, Austro-hungrians, Italians etc... forever brothers.

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WoodrowFan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:09 PM
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3. I sent those same photos
I sent those same photos to some repuks when they started that "surrender monkey" shit.

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Javaman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:23 PM
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4. You know what really pisses me off?
Some morons continue to say, "we had to save their asses in two wars, if it wasn't for us, they would be speaking German instead of French. When are they going ever going to thank us for saving them???"
Well I got news for those fucking idiots, it is we who are doing the thanking. If it wasn't for the French, we would have had our asses handed to us by the English in the Revolutionary war.
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Coventina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:35 PM
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5. That attitude is wrong on so many levels.
What I usually say when some moran spouts that line is:
"Did we fight the Nazis because it was the right thing to do? Or did we do it so that we could have puppet states to do our bidding----like the Soviet Union?" Then I like to say, "Being free means being free to disagree. We wanted the French and ALL Europe to be free, and that means being free to disagree with us."
It usually shuts them up.
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lastliberalintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:39 PM
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7. Armistice Day
The 11th hour of the 11th day of the 11th month, and the War to End all Wars finally came to an end. Too bad that most Americans don't remember what this day is supposed to be about from our side of the pond.

"WHEREAS the 11th of November 1918, marked the cessation of the most
destructive, sanguinary, and far reaching war in human annals and the
resumption by the people of the United States of peaceful relations with other nations, which we hope may never again be severed, and

WHEREAS it is fitting that the recurring anniversary of this date should be commemorated with thanksgiving and prayer and exercises designed to perpetuate peace through good will and mutual understanding between nations; and

WHEREAS the legislatures of twenty-seven of our States have already
declared November 11 to be a legal holiday: Therefore be it Resolved by the Senate (the House of Representatives concurring), That the President of the United States is requested to issue a proclamation calling upon the officials to display the flag of the United States on all Government buildings on November 11 and inviting the people of the United States to observe the day in schools and churches, or other suitable places, with appropriate ceremonies of friendly relations with all other peoples."


Un célébration de paix, vraiment. Très trist que notre politiciens aient oublié ci message. (and I do apologize if my French is as bad as I think it is!)
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Lisa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:20 PM
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8. how many times have Americans and French fought against each other?
(and the invasions of Canada don't count because Quebec was no longer a French colony by the time of the American War of Independence)

I can't think of a time when France has been "The Enemy" -- Britain has been in more conflicts against the United States, and killed/injured more Americans, than France has.

And yet some people with a selective view of history think it's okay to denigrate a longtime ally. How about the French troops who were killed or wounded at Yorktown, fighting for the new Republic?

Those who think the French can't fight are ignoring a long and illustrious military history that goes back many centuries. And as a Canadian, I'm grateful to the many brave and capable personnel of French descent who are serving in our armed forces. I guess the name-callers are assuming that just because somebody doesn't leap up and attack everything in sight, whether it's a threat or not, that person is automatically a "surrender monkey".


Thanks to France for generously offering their land for Allied burial sites and monuments (for example, they gave Canada a large area for a national memorial at Vimy Ridge, in perpetuity) -- and for welcoming our veterans on many visits.
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 08:46 PM
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9. The French refuse to appease Bush
So the Bushbots call them the enemy. Before we got involved in WWII, the Germans called the Great Britian the enemy because the Brits refused to appease Hitler once Churchill became prime minister. So there you have it.
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Doohickie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 09:15 PM
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10. In memory of my dad
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 09:18 PM by Paul_H
He served in the Navy. He served in no war but instead in between WWII and Korea. He died in October of 1995.




Also, in memory of my Great-great-uncle Jan. He was a Polish immigrant to America who became a Roman Catholic priest, and returned to Poland to fight during WWI in a successful bid to help restore the independence of his homeland.



Ave et vale.

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