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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:50 PM
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How to respond to the Bush won by 5 million popular votes?
Looking for some suggestions.

My friend acknowledged that there were irregularities, but she replied in saying that Bush won by 5 million popular votes?

We will never know the truth about this election because of the massive potential rigging of the machines.
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rinsd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:52 PM
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1. Well...even the "official" count is more like 3.5M (nt)
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Fenris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:52 PM
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2. I thought it was 3 million.
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pmbryant Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:56 PM
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6. 3.5 million
See http://uselectionatlas.org/USPRESIDENT/national.php?year=2004&f=0


Bush:  60,418,140   50.99%
Kerry: 56,949,003   48.06%


Difference (at the moment at least): 3.469 million
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msturgis524 Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:52 PM
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3. More people voted against him than anyone EVER
He had the lowest % of electoral vote since Woodrow Wilson
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:19 PM
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23. Thank ya veddy much! Good points.
:)
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:53 PM
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4. massively rigged election
votes skimmed all over the country. maybe as much as 5-10 million votes. noone knows. The NH count hopefully (crossed fingers) will demonstrate that we are not crazy.
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sonicx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:55 PM
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5. tell em that most bush supporters think Saddam did 9/11
they're morans.
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Glenda Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:57 PM
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9. You said it...
<----- Morans
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Spazito Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:56 PM
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7. There are two points here...
The first being US elections aren't decided on popular vote as we found re 2000, Gore had the popular vote but the decision is based on the electoral college so the point is moot.

If your friend still throws the popular vote around the number the media is reporting is 3.5 million. If there was election fraud whereby Kerry votes were switched to bush, there are certainly indications of that, the number of votes needed to change the outcome of the popular vote is 1.80, less than 2% of the number of votes cast given the media has reported anywhere from 105 to 120 million votes cast.
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aquart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:57 PM
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8. The Miracle of the Religious Bigots?
God is into some really strange stuff these days.
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quaoar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:58 PM
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10. Ask your friend
So, are you saying that whoever won the popular vote should be president? Just like President Gore?
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:40 PM
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31. yes, tell her, the OH pbs should be counted in the next coupla
days, and live by the electoral college, die by the electoral college.
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CAcyclist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 05:58 PM
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11. Missing Voters
The official tally shows a 54% voter turnout. In 2000, the voter turnout was 51%.

With all the long lines, etc., it is impossible that only 54% of voters turned out to vote. We are missing about 35 million votes if the actual turnout was 70% as was estimated.

look for my previous threads for the calculations or the one asking if we weren't missing like 10 million voters.
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:01 PM
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12. IF anyone dare to say that to me, which they havent
i would look em in the eye with steely seriousness and say national wide fraud..........dont even go there

and i would be done. but none of my people dare even bring up bush's name, so......
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:24 PM
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24. LOL Seabeyond!! I like that - DemoGRIT.
Steely serious, huh? Man, I wont mess wicha.

:)
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:31 PM
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28. i htink they all know. my people anyway
they just simply feel wimpish and tail between legs with this win. i have a fundie school, they talk bush and anti kerry in chapel hour. and all of them, they couldnt be kissing my ass more. told boys picking them up today, we could do wrong and still not get in trouble, it is feeling like.

i have a feeling they are feeling the shame and we are just a week into this election. i am not seeing a rah rah going on
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:01 PM
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13. until my dying day, I will never believe that Bush got more votes . . .
than Kerry this year . . . rationality, common sense and history all say "No way!" . . . I'm not exactly sure how they did it, but they sure as hell stole this thing in a massive, nationwide way . . .
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KarenS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:02 PM
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14. Just ask them to,,,,
PROVE IT!!!!!!!

:bounce:

Gotta Audit!!!
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Iris Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:02 PM
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15. I know she's your friend,
but she's a dumb ass.
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alcuno Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:02 PM
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16. My response? 59 million Americans chose to reward failure.
That's their choice.
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Hamlette Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:03 PM
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17. if the popular vote was what mattered, Gore would be prez.
that might shut 'em up.
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UdoKier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:04 PM
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18. You might mention
That the votes are STILL being counted. The provisional ballots won't be looked at until tomorrow.

And it may very well be that Bush won a good majority of the popular vote. Without resolving the black box problem, we'll never be able to have any faith in our elections. There MUST be a paper trail. If this is looked into and Bush is still the victor, fine (yuk), but the problems with the lack of integrity of these machines is still there. I think it should be looked into in blue states as well.

This isn't about overturning the election (although that could be a farfetched outcome) it's about making sure our elections are fair and secure.
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Thoth Donating Member (256 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:08 PM
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19. Mark Twain said...
"Whenever you find yourself in the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:09 PM
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20. You can fool all of the people some of the time
Even Abraham Lincoln knew that.
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DebJ Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:14 PM
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21. put 118 people in a room. Put 55 on one side and 59 on the other
Then see what a huge mandate that is!
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NavyDem Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 06:21 PM
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22. Are the other 4 gonna represent 3rd party candidates?
55+59=114
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:26 PM
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25. Where can I find 118 people? Yall wanna come over?
:)
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Zero Gravitas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:28 PM
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26. Popular vote
1) popular vote doesn't matter - just ask Al Gore.
2) More people voted agsint Bush than any other president.
3) Turnout was 59% so 30% voted *, 29% voted Kerry, 41% "none of the above" with 70% not voting for you, you don't have a mandate!
4) more people voted for the 45 Dem Senators than voted for the 55 Repub Senators. This NOT a "Red" country.
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ClassWarrior Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:29 PM
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27. Three words: No he didn't.
NGU.
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 11:21 PM
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32. LOL*** NGU?
:shrug:
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HootieMcBoob Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:34 PM
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29. Narrowest margin of victory for a wartime president...
in United States history!
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BlueStatesForever Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:34 PM
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30. For starters
For starters the popular vote doesn't matter. If it did, Gore would have been president last time.

Bush won by 136,000 votes (if that) in Ohio.

As they constantly told us in 2000, tell them that we have an electoral college. Focusing on the popular vote is futile.
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