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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:09 PM
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Did Kerry EVER mention poor people in the debates?
I think Bush mentions the poor more than most Democrats do lately? What is going on? Is the DLC against even mentioning the word now? Also, I heard Hillary gave a speech theother day, does anyone have the transcript? I am just wondering if it was as bad as the sickening trash her husband has been spouting.
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stepnw1f Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:10 PM
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1. Bush Does Talk To His Victims, Yes.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:11 PM
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3. Hey I didnt say Bush
helps them. But he patronizes them and many vote for him.
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Don Claybrook Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:11 PM
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2. As an afterthought he did...something like this
Paraphrase:

We're going to do this, that, the other for the middle class, and we're going to help those who are struggling to get into the middle class.

That's about the only statement I can recall.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:12 PM
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4. The poor should have be a huge
voting block for the Democrats. They need to work on this. Use more of the rhetoric Edwards used.
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Joe Chi Minh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:37 PM
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11. He spoke about
them/us (I'm affected as a limey) at the Convention and on the stump, I believe, quite clearly and encouragingly, on occasions.

However he mostly had to refer to them/us indirectly - due to the perceived stigma attached to poverty, immemorially generated by the rich and worldly wise. A louche old newspaper proprietor in the UK called Beaverbrook used to tell his staff always to address their readers as if they were one class higher than they are, pretty much for that reason. Another man may be poor, but we're kind of struggling...

While paying a kind of lip-service to the "American Dream", (which, sadly, is less characteristic now of the US than of countries such as France and Germany), instead of talking directly about the needs of the poor, he talked about the needs of the middle class... and those aspiring to make it there. It is a matter of his sensitivity concerning the negative feelings some words engender, rather than a desire to spin or be evasive.
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UL_Approved Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:16 PM
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5. What was the "two Americas" thing all about?
I thought that was the point of the "two Americas" platform. He talked about education for poor inner-city students. Looking over the debates will bring out more examples. Unlike Bush, however, he didn't come out and say "we support the poor". Kerry listed off examples of people in poverty or with low income. Bush just sees poor people. Kerry sees people in poverty, people in the lower middle class, people in the rest of the middle class, etc. His distinctions and subtlety may obscure these references, but they are there.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:20 PM
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8. That was Edward's meme.
I am working poor and Kerry didn't offend me, I thought the DNC speeches were both grand.
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IronLionZion Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:18 PM
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6. I think he said working class or unemployed or something like that
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 07:19 PM by IronLionZion
Everybody knows Bush and Kerry are not "of the people", but at least Kerry is FOR the people.
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Union Thug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:20 PM
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7. He talked a lot about the middle class...
...I complained that I did not hear him utter the words 'working class' at any time during the first debate. I can't say for the other two.
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BayCityProgressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:25 PM
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10. I think we need to push the debate more
to focus on the 50 million with no healthcare, the millions of children without food, the 70% of homeless who DO work, homeless vets, kids who cant afford colege, ect. I think it would help us. Nancy Pelosi once said that we need to show the GOPs ideas to solve these problems for what they really are-corporate giveaways. We need to prove the GOP does not care about the issues. This is real morality folks! We need to find a good messanger and a way to make it stick though! Hillary wont be the one to do it, she has had her chance. Perhaps Obama. We shall see if anyone steps up to the plate....
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scout123 Donating Member (15 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-11-04 07:22 PM
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9. Yes he did, but...
Edited on Thu Nov-11-04 07:25 PM by scout123
he often referred to them as those struggling to get into the middle class. And he also referred to them when he talked of "feeding the hungry, clothing the naked..." etc. Of course I guess that was too 'Biblical' for the people in the Red states to recognize. That's a reference only us heathen in the Blue states would understand.

He also said he was tired of hearing about 'family values' without actually valuing families.
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