A liberal co-worker left the PNAC site up for the boss to find...

My co-worker, like me, is plenty pissed off at the world lately - he brought the boss enlistment forms for the National Guard for him and both of his kids right after the election - so he left the PNAC site up for the boss to find.

So I get to work today and the boss is sitting, rapt, at the computer. He's printing out position papers from PNAC. Political conversion, you ask? No.

"This is some great stuff! I agree completely with their position toward Iran." He scooped up several pages from the printer and left to go read them.

:wow:

I knew he was bad, but I never dreamed just how bad.

will join up when we go to Iran. That must be it.

Damn that's crazy. You know what that means don't you? the drip drip of creeping fascism has so desensitized people that your average "moderate" will, in no less than a year, completely be okay with reading PNAC.

Oh how far we have come.

How about leaving this up for him to find:

http://claritas.blogdrive.com/archive/1.html

Questions:

(a) Does he agree with it?

(b) Does he click the link at the bottom of the article?

(c) If so, what is his reaction?

[Edited to make link live.]

Here are a few:

http://eelink.net/eejobs.html
http://www.nwf.org/careergateway/
http://www.spherion.com/corporate/careercenter/home.jsp
http://www.appam.org/services/jobbank/positions.shtml
http://www.ejobs.org/
http://www.lawjobs.com/
http://www.movingideas.org/jobs/

I'm now making more than the boss does (!!!). And I get to set my own hours. He knows not to talk politics to me, because I won't debate such stupidity - I just go postal. We get along fine otherwise.

But thanks for the links. In a couple of years, I'll be moving on and up.

Why do you think they so blatantly leave it up for all to see?

... or they, or people they know, suffer physically because of it.

Even then, some may still cling to the ideas because they've gotten such an emotional investment in "America as Empire", Spreading Democracy, etc. I think Timothy Leary once estimated that as many as a third of the people attached to a given way of thinking would be that loathe to abandon it, even if it were shown to be invalid or harmful to them directly.

say that they believed that Hitler had been a good leader and good for Germany :wow:

nice post.

just like Mein Kampf should not be placed easily within the reach of small minds.

Anyone with a smattering of strategic sense or read Sun Tsu knows PNAC is a failure waiting to happen. Anyone with less than such a brain (and there are many) are hopelessly caught up in the madness.

on the guy's desk.

I just might be naughty enough to do that.

i would be scared shitless of somebody i actually saw stooped over a printer that was shooting out copies of PNAC.

You should really write a short story about that.

and see if you can get it titled "Anonymous" somehow. Let him read it, and extoll upon the "virtues" of it, and on your last day there tell the story to everyone and expose him.

I can almost guarantee you if you slightly disguise it you have a shot at changing his mind. Almost everyone will agree that Hitler was evil, but if confronted with his views apart from him, well, that's just exposing fascism. And a lot of these people would swallow it.

Trap them and expose them.

See response #2.

It's actually a Joseph Goebbels speech (his most famous one) with "American" replacing "German," "the president" replacing "the Führer," etc.

It's interesting to see these people close up. They support hideous ideologies, but they don't live what they preach. For instance, every Friday, my boss, who is bitterly opposed to welfare, doubles my pay as I work on upgrading our hardware and software systems. Nothing like making doubletime pay a few hours a week and not even being a full time employee.

Quite a contradiction.

The thing I found most frightening about the Goebbels speech is it is more honest than American leaders are today. Note that he did not tell them everything is going well and we have enough troops and so on. He told them it was tough, and they needed to dedicate their all to it.

When the Nazis' minister of propaganda was clearly more honest with the citizens of his nation than the current American government is with ours, we need to be terrified!

great idea.

What does he have to say about PNAC style strategy?

a brilliant study on human psychology and its relation to war. just as relavent today as it was back then because it focuses on the one thing that won't change throughout our history -- humans. no matter the technology, no matter the ideologies, no matter the 'movements' some things integral to the human condition *won't change*. this is why it *is* required reading for most military schools.

essentially PNAC never tabulated nationalism, desperation, politics/diplomacy, and humans in relation to supply issues into the equation. it's the ultimate rosy scenario. and it'll be laughed at for ages to come. it basically calculates on the assumption that everyone is no more complicated than cowed pawns and all results will be perfect by virtue of our goodness and technology. it's probably the longest joke ever written, and reality is its punchline.

People can read the whole thing in less than 30 minutes. And spend the rest of their lives learning its lessons. I find it elegant and brutal...beautiful thinking. Judo of the mind. God, where is my copy anyway? I haven't seen it in several years. I need to re-read it.

Note the "five taboos of war" in Sun Tzu's "Art of War". This administration has committed nearly every one of the taboos.

They think taking out Iran, China, etc., is a good idea. I showed them the 1-26-98 letter to Clinton to prove that ChimpCo had made up their minds to invade Iraq way back. Their response: "I agree with what they said back then."

Still, there must be SOME people somewhere that feel PNAC is a bit over the top??????

Thanks for posting this. I aim to pass it along to an anti-PNACer who constantly whines as to why no one was "getting it" or talking about it. Now we see with both eyes why our leaders didn't bring it up much. :(

... which not only recognize the possibility of countries fighting over resources like oil, but come right out and say it's a "good thing" (sorry Martha Stewart!). I know that when "resource wars" were discussed 20 years ago, many people criticized academics for insinuating that the US had less-than-altruistic motives for getting involved in conflicts. Ominous that in some circles, putting this issue right up front is not only accepted, but praised! I suppose that they've been able to rationalize it as not being mutually exclusive to "spreading freedom". Kind of like those corporations jostling each other to go into Iraq -- they aren't even bothering to pretend it's for reasons other than making money.

See 1066 and All That, which was written in the early twentieth century.

Republicans believe the whole Arab Middle East has a plan to keep attacking us using terrorism. They believe the whole Moslem world is attacking us because we are free and Christian and support Israel. They believe the clash of civilizations is unavoidable. They believe bush is doing what he has to do, not what a particular ideology is for. That is why they can't be reasoned with. They live in a different reality and that's why they agree with something as radical as the PNAC agenda. We will have to have a sufficient economic drain as to put this country in peril before there is a possibility of then losing their point of view. That is what is so bad about the current situation.