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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:42 AM
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My local Dem Comm. chair and a grassroots organizer think we
were robbed!

They are pissed at the DNC / DLC and are out for Terry McCullif's (or whatever the dnc chair's name is) head.

Where are the progresive to go?


below is the grassroots organizer's email:
Tomorrow I will be ending my affiliation with the Democratic Party. I've had enough. Enough of experts. Enough of waffling smart guys. Enough of pollsters. Enough of the foolish dances. Enough broken promises. Enough of candidates I have to grudginly accept rather than joyfully embrace. Just enough already!!!

I can't tell you for sure what's in store for forward looking progressive Americans. However, I know deep down inside the Democratic Party as currently constituted DOES NOT have the answer.

As MLK, or was it HST, said ... I have a pipe dream. And that pipe dream is the rapid implosion of the Democratic Party. I am completely convinced that it's too feeble, too confused, too timid, too me-too, too burned-out to be an effective national party any longer. So. From here on out I'll be putting my efforts behind a search for a new politcal home, a new wave of leaders and a brand new party to rise from Jefferson's ashes.



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FloridaPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:49 AM
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1. I think a better plan would be to take over the Democratic party
and run candidates with backbones. But from what I've heard about Washington, people with principals go there and loose their principals. The problem with a third party - unless it gets real big by 2006 - is that it will make the repubs even more powerful. We between a rock and a hard spot.

There has been some movement to stop supporting the creeps that did this to us. www.solari.com/ and www.legitgov.org/.

They are coming up with an idea to stop feeding the beasts from our end. National banks, Fox news, etc. Another things is to start locally. Get out and not only vote but run.
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sybylla Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:28 AM
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4. Yes
That's been my plan. I joined four years ago with that in mind. The only problems is I can't do it alone. Gradually, we are building a coalition, a movement, a groundswell. Bailing on the party now will stop it.

I'm still here because I don't think it's too late. I don't think it's hopeless. And I don't believe a third party is currently the best route. Taking over the one we already have will save a great deal of time and energy while enabling us to skip a few stages (and years) in the retooling process. Democrats all over this country are shocked that we've been pushing that rock up hill every election and each time it has come rolling down upon us. Democrats, who aren't already convinced that we need change, are teetering.

Stay with the party, talk to your fellow Dems and convince them they need to take their party back. The same routine for the next four years will only bring us more loss and despair.

I agree that things need to change. I just disagree in how to accomplish that change.

"Insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results."
-- Benjamin Franklin
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Upfront Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:51 AM
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2. Count Me In
Sounds good to me. I have had it with the national level Democratic party.
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PATRICK Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:01 AM
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3. Reluctant base
Someone has to take the plunge and living under a sea of lies already it will be difficult for seasoned politicians, leaders of voting bases and organizations to break up their remaining power coalition and TRY too unite somewhere else.

Lots of Catch-22's. First, the Labor blocs and minority blocs are already cool to the Party for good reason, yet to demonstrate the utter hopelessness of fair elections while the DNC soul searches and moves to the right is too also tempt them to circle wagons. It is amazing how comfortable they are in their anger and alarm. Third parties rarely attract career politicians. These "brave" souls fear loss of Party support, organization, money and the blacklisting of their future career.

A progressive coalition is amazingly hard to cobble together. The same soul searching ideological debate goes on an on. No practical old base or pros are attracted to THAT.

We need a summit, but the DNC who couldn't see their mistakes if they arrived giftwrapped, delivered in a RNC dumpster at their headquarters door, would move like lightning to crush defections. The media that couldn't investigate their way out of a paper bag would be all over it.

So, someone has to get their act together, not necessarily a charismatic uniting independent pro, not necessarily a reluctant base organization, not necessarily an excited band of zealots. It points first to a blood bath at party leadership levels which is not exactly good either- but what does it matter now anyway? It points to another Independent Party coalition. Under a fraudulent voting-media system, they will be gamed to play the spoiler against their own interests.

A coalition on an issue alone- elections themselves- might be the logical first step and a big one for those currently soft pedaling or ignorant of the fatal state of affairs. That can be THE ONE and ONLY springboard to solutions like another party, or a changed Democratic Party.

Where are Progressives to go? Knocking on the doors of big organizations and bases for the sake of a single issue. Reclaiming the election process. Where it goes from there is where any hope goes once it has a chance. And this window of hope is not certain. It is closing
and tearing apart the Democratic party seems a dangerous and futile step. Working outside these ineffectual collaborators must be done anyway.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:15 PM
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7. We need a farm-labor coalition.
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peacetalksforall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 10:42 AM
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5. Dems need to take it over
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 10:45 AM by higher class
I think Dean has the integrity and the energy. He needs the existing structure, but No to Shrum....No to McAuliffe....No to Brazile.

Yes to Ann Richards and an entire contingent of gutsy people who won't try to appease the bitchy RPNs (Republican Corporate Networks).

Find the new people out there who have the integrity.

Appeal to our original heritage of successes - work ethics, education, separation of church and state, trusted votes, tolerance, and peace peace peace.

But the people have to win all those people who thought someone else could run the government while they watched a game or went shoppping. Someone has to teach these people that perpetual war is not what we were put on the earth to do and that their are better ways to operate an economy other than to make weapons and takeover the world through terror and death.
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mdmc Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:14 PM
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6. it sounds like there is still hope at du for our party
:kick:
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