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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:48 PM
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Inside Election Fraud Battle-Think Kerry Is Not Involved In This Fight?
Interesting points made:

NOVEMBER 10, 2004 – When Senator John Kerry (D-MA) talked about how his policy would be different in Iraq, he kept saying, in effect, ‘It’s the how, stupid.’ He said repeatedly he would fight a “smarter” war.

Flash forward to today. Following the election, there was a problem apparent. The exit polling didn't match the ballot count, and many reasons for that began to become apparent.

John Kerry was faced with three options. One, fight on publicly rather than conceding and put the nation into a media frenzied limbo. Two, concede and go on with his life, turning his back on his promise to his supporters to ensure that “every vote will be counted.”

Most people are assuming that John Kerry opted for the second of these while John Edwards, his runningmate, opted for the first, and since Kerry was the big dog, he won out. But people who think this are thinking in Bush terms, all or nothing, either you are for the war or against it, that either Senator Kerry was for recounting the votes or he was against it.

The reality is, John Kerry has chosen a third, much smarter course – just as he said he would all along.

John Kerry realized that to launch a public campaign calling the vote into question would be disastrous. In fact, he likely realized he would we walking right into a Bush-set booby trap.

In particular, during our election coverage we talked about the pending battle of Fallujah, about the timing of it being an election ploy, about how it was following in the constant Bush pattern of creating a media event to sway the election, as he did last time by making the run up to the Iraq invasion come to a head exactly on election week.

http://www.moderateindependent.com/v2i21election.htm
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:50 PM
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1. I can subscribe to that theory. Just hope it works for him
For the sake of democracy and the United States of America.
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mom cat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:51 PM
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2. I hope that you are right.
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Sideways Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:52 PM
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3. Great Article
It echos the hope I've held in my heart since Black Wednesday.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 01:59 PM
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4. That's why I posted it
I've continued to reflect on Elizabeth Edward's first two words posted on DU last week, "be patient."
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darthdemocrat Donating Member (57 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:04 PM
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5. that would be my strategy
Political moves must consider public opinion. If Kerry takes this to court and gets denied it looks like "just more political garbage" to an awful lot of people. If he leaves it to Nader, Cobb or Badnarik to raise the stink it may be more broadly heard.

Let's not forget that for Kerry this isn't winner take all. He's still an elected official either way and now has some clout to demand the public ear, even as a legislator.

I think his service in Vietnam could be an example. Sure, he went over there and was probably involved in doing some ugly, ugly things. What was his reaction? An intelligent effort to influence public awareness and opinion to change things. I'm giving him the benefit of the doubt that he's an intelligent fighter.
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Hubert Flottz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:09 PM
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6. A great read!
Goes right along with what I've thought all along!
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tritsofme Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:14 PM
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7. Wasn't that Cam Kerry letter fake?
I remember reading something about that here, but I can't remember.
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JohnnyCougar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:22 PM
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8. Yes. Some freeper wanted to play a trick on us.
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Oilwellian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:30 PM
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11. The original letter wasn't fake
It was manipulated once it hit the internet.
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MsConduct Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:24 PM
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9. We can speculate until...
our brains fall out. I want to believe that Kerry hasn't given up. But I won't believe it until the headlines read "Kerry Won, Bush Indicted!".
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shance Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:27 PM
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10. I would like to believe this, however there appears to be NO fight
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 03:21 PM by shance
worthy of fighting to these corporate Dems and Republicans as well.

I am not trying to be difficult. I am trying to get to the truth.

I think the truth exists in someones actions not in their words. With a few exceptions, all we are getting are hollow words and sales pitches from Washington.

I believe we now have a election/morale crisis and many dont see it. I believe our Democracy is threatened because some of our leaders are stalling Americans from the truth. I think they are stalling "themselves" from the truth as well. Denial on so many realms is Americas real epidemic right now, and there is simply no more excuse for it.


As far as the election goes, thousands of young kids, middled aged, single women, single men, elderly*, WHOEVER went to work for John Kerry. The end result? He conceded in twelve hours after allowing John Edwards to talk out of both sides of his mouth.

What I am saying is, due to the crisis facing this Democracy right now, Americans deserve accountability and the truth.

The facts are this. John Kerry has conceded, has steadfastly maintained that line, when there was no reason to concede as early as he did. Al Gore stayed in as long as he could, with Pontius Pilate Vice President named Joe Lieberman that left him high and dry, and Gore never complained. John Kerry on the other hand has apparently armies of attorneys, and loads of money (45 million?)and hes already conceded - thrown it in. Makes no sense.

Another fact: for years the corporate Dems/Repubs have continued to use this angle, and feed a line of some James Bond underlying strategy and that Americans can sit back and wait because they have it all under control. Well how bout that? They sure have had it all under control these past few years havent they? Joe Biden and others are well known for saying they are really working hard behind the scenes. I used to believe it. I don't any longer.

I for one don't believe we will get the truth from those leaders who have too much money, ego and misguided principle involved in the process and too little investment in the overall good of the future for our children and Democracy. It's simple to see who really cares. Just look at who is taking the right actions.

I think we need to financially support, defend and promote those who ironically are less influenced by money and are participating more in their constituent's lives and communities. ITs important to support any person and certainly children as well when they make decisions guided by principle and fairness,rather than their immediate best interest or gratification.
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