Methodists going after * and cheney

After the listing by paragraph of their actions which conflict with the UMC Book of Discipline, the following conclusion appears in the on-line petition for discipline against Bush and Cheney:



We, the undersigned, are also very much disturbed by President Bush's many references to the significance of Christian faith in the decisions that he has made as President of the United States. George W. Bush has called Jesus his "favorite philosopher", said that Jesus changed his life, and that his decisions are often guided by prayer. In fact, we feel that most of his actions as president have directly contradicted the philosophy of Jesus. Jesus said to feed, clothe, and shelter the "least of these", not to starve, strip, and bomb them.

For a very well-worded letter from United Methodist pastors against (so-called Methodists) George W Bush and Dick Cheney, go to:


http://www.theymustrepent.com/

Now the methodist pastors come out???? You guys are a day late and a dollar short. Maybe they'll show up for work on time in four years.

I first heard about it a couple of months ago.

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why bother???

gave the brushoff to the heads of the ELCA Lutheran, Episcopal, United Methodist, United Church of Christ and other denominations when they issued statements against the Iraq invasion.

Reasonable religious people making statements about peace and justice aren't sensationalistic enough for the mass media.

They have to have a nasty idiot like Pat Robertson representing the religious people of America.

and I am sure they will be glad to hear your viewpoint.

but 2 weeks too late

Bush is a Methodist, isn't he? So maybe it will have some effect.

because attending a Southern Baptist/ fundy church (where his true "faith" lies) is considered declasse.

I remember seeing the post about here at DU. Got some DU methodist ministers talking about the Book of Discipline and everything.

Since WHEN is the mainstream media going to cover something like THIS during an election cycle, huh? ESPECIALLY if it goes against Bush-Cheney?

:think:

Edit: I hope John & Elizabeth Edwards, and Hillary & Chelsea Clinton, consider signing it.

O8) :hi:

...but who the hell listens to Methodist ministers during the campaign?
(not me)

I read about this over a month ago. The mainstream media has been ignoring it. However, they did spend alot of time on a FEW catholic Bishops that don't like Kerry, completely ignoring the large number of Catholic bishops saying otherwise, and the official Vatican position, that there is more to a candidate being "Pro-Life" than abortion.

There are many Methodist pastors out there who had been stumping for ** at least in my area. This should help shut them up. This opens more doors to us, even if it a bit late.

If this movement continues it could be of great help in my area in 2006.

This sort of thing has been out for quite some time. But the "Liberal" media won't pick it up. They only seem to cover the ultra conservative religiosos like Robertson and Fallwell and Dobson.

There **are** Christians who think like we do. Lots of them. (Which makes me cringe when we <me included> bash Christians as a block, which they are not.)

I sent this to a "friend" of my husbands that thinks he is a big religious person with a link to this letter. He sends me stuff all the time about how we won't let God in schools, etc. A big Fundie. He believes all the lies that Rush hands him. What do you think of the letter? Is it too much, my husband has to work with the guy.







To say that God is on the side of Republicans is blasphemy and just wrong. I do not want religion taught in public schools and many very religious people do not as well. The reason being that I don't agree with all the teachings that the Catholics, Methodists, Jews, Muslims, Pagans, and whoever else might teach my child. I do not want them to learn prayers to repeat over and over again, I want them to learn how to have a personal relationship with God. Since I am not at school with my kids, I would not have a choice what they would be taught and that scares me to death. This country was founded on freedom of religion, that means we are free to have whatever religion we want to have. We are not to force our religion on other people and not have it forced on us. That is what makes this country so great! Our leaders came from a country that forced religion on its people and that is why we have the seperation of church and state. We could not begin to teach all the beliefs of everyone at schools and we should not try.

Jesus did not want us to turn our backs on the poor and downtrodden as it seems the Republicans want to do. I care about the poor and sick, that is why I want affordable health care for everyone. That is why I want more equallity in wages. I care about this earth that God gave to us to take care of and the Repubs are destroying it. It makes me sick how there were more abortions during the last 4 years of Bush's term than there were the 4 years before that during Clinton's term. Making it so our poor are taken care of will stop more abortions than trying to change the law. I know your heart is in the right place, but the republicans are not the ones doing what Jesus wants us to do. He did not seem to talk about homosexuality, but loving our enemies as well as our neighbors, not killing over 100,00 innocent civillians in a war for oil. Terrorism is worse all over the world and more and more hate this country. Read the following letter from ministers of the Methodist church and keep an open mind. And remember that liberal does not mean without God.

IT'S FALWELL OR SOMEONE FROM THE SO BAPT CONVENTION.......never anyone but fundamentalist......media is deciding 'who is Christian'

(at least this was the way it was when I stopped watching TV in June 2000)

Policies Adopted by the Nazis in the Persecution of the Christian churches

Germany

In Germany they adopted the policy of “gradual encroachment”, which meant that they pretended to be good friends of the Churches at first, then gradually deprived them of all opportunity to affect public life; persecuted those Christians and priests who criticized the Nazi regime and sent many of them to prisons or concentration camps. This plan had been established even before the Nazis came to power. More...

http://www.cryingvoice.com/Christian_martyrs/NaPers.html

They'd all better be living right when Bush gets things the way he wants them! And he will if Kerry can't stop him!