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springhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:44 PM
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Will unemployment be discontinued?
I was just thinking about the interview I saw with Grover Norquist on Now with Bill Moyers. Basically his position is that any government assistance, including the recent program for discounts for precriptions for senior citizens is something he wants to get rid of. Will that include unemployment?
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mhr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:45 PM
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1. Yes - Get Ready For The New Hoovervilles.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:46 PM
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2. Unemployment compensation is a form of insurance
It isn't government assistance.

But all the states require employers to carry it, and that could get the axe. In the name of Jeebus Cripes and Freep Enterprise, of course.

--bkl
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shoelace414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:50 PM
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3. Why would an employer pay into Unemployment if it wasn't mandatory?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:51 PM
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4. moral values
Oh wait... wrong party.

To keep the economy from tanking in downturns.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:52 PM
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5. Sure. With no unemployment benefits to be paid
there would be no way to count the unemployed, but the employed would still be counted, so we would always have full employment.
Also the hundreds of thousands of government workers needed to manage and run this countries unemployment benefits program would be out of work, thereby savings the government billions that would be plowed back into killing machines to eradicate the non-rich, non-white where ever they are in the world.
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iamjoy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:55 PM
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6. I Wonder...
I have speculated for some time now that the goal of Conservatives is to take us back to the 1950's (or before) family values and un-do all FDR's progressive programs.

Look how they are removing teeth from the SEC. See how they want to weaken minimum wage. Some see privatizing Social Security as a first step to....
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gWbush is Mabus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:57 PM
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7. no offense, but that is not speculation
it the stated goal
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:02 PM
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8. How about CORPORATE SUBSIDIES FOR LARGE CORPORATIONS,
if not all corporate welfare?

Hurry up and get Alzheimers, Grover. Then try to think if you should be given the treatment you feel more than compelled to deny to others. Moral? In which bizarrouniverse do you come from, Grovie?
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Alan Smithee Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:14 PM
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9. Yes. It's going to be marvelous.
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 03:14 PM by Alan Smithee
Once everyone's unemployment runs out and they drop off the statistical radar we'll have 100% employment!

Won't that be nice.
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:22 PM
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10. Alan Smithee
Hey, I didn't know it was you when you were posting as Batboy. You've made some bitchen movies, Dude!

--bkl
Not the Village Smithy, but the Village Idiot.
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Alan Smithee Donating Member (29 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:27 PM
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13. Actually there's another BatBoy.
He changed his name to Bat Boy (with a space) so I let him have it. It had been a nickname for him for a long time apparently.

And thanks. I'm proud of all my movies...
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SCDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:23 PM
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11. Would that include Veterans benefits as well?
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Old and In the Way Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:23 PM
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12. It's been replaced with "productivity"
Productivity keeps going up and up and up......
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Dogmudgeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:30 PM
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14. Everything will (have to) change soon
Unless we can find a way around the post-peak-oil energy crisis, more than half the adults in America will be unemployed, probably within a decade. There is going to be a radical re-structuring of the nature of work and social welfare, and I'n not naive enough to think it will work out beneficially for the public.

Most of the major oil fields are at or past peak production. The North Sea oil field passed peak lately, Russia's oil industry is in its last two years of peak production, the USA peaked out in 1971, and most of the big mid-eastern fields (like the Ghawar) are probably past peak by a few years.

At some point, reality is going to catch up, and George Bush's fever dream of a virtuous, rustic, "Christian" society peopled by Rugged Individualists who can make money simply by deciding to "work hard" is going to be the worst kind of bad joke.

As Criswell used to say, "Five years will tell! Remember this prediction!" But he also thought Mink Oil could stop aging.

--bkl
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