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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:45 PM
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Inside the enemy's brain (the real enemy)
If you want to see inside his brain read this historical perspective on Puritanism first:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1346767,00.html

Think about it and then read this propaganda piece that is written by a wealthy and longtime elite member of the Republican run military industrial establishment.

Make sure you read his resume carefully first:

James Atticus Bowden has specialized in inter-disciplinary long range 'futures' studies for over a decade. He is employed by a Defense Department contractor. He is a retired United States Army Infantry Officer. He is a 1972 graduate of the United States Military Academy and earned graduate degrees from Harvard University and Columbia University. He holds two elected Republican Party offices in Virginia.

Ok now step inside the heart of his dark and brilliant propaganda:
http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/jbowden_20041112.html
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PROGRESSIVE1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 02:53 PM
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1. All Duers should read this and learn how to make our own....
"propaganda" to strike back at the opposition (facsists)!
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StClone Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:00 PM
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2. Why is it brilliant?
He writes from his area of expertise in faith.

I think it will come on many fronts. Economic being paramount as the Blue States are supporting all but three of the Red States without equal Representation. I think a whole legal retaliation of Taxation without Representation would be a good start.
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Redleg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:08 PM
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3. I e-mailed that putz.
EOM
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:15 PM
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4. Its an ADMISSION that they are PURITANS
This is a clear admission that the Republican Elite are Puritans. He is clearly making the case that his ideology is the only true form of Puritanism.
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:31 PM
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5. Piranha In The Fish Tank
Why Bush is going to get torn apart by these NeoPuritans:

Excerpt:

"The catch is, extremists are never satisfied until they vanquish the opposition. In Israel, Ariel Sharon thought he could handle the fanatical settlers in the Gaza Strip. Now, some are openly calling for the murder of their former patron. Saudi Arabia’s Crown Prince Abdullah thought he could make nice with Osama bin Laden until the zealot literally blew up that arrangement."

http://bellaciao.org/en/article.php3?id_article=4261
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:42 PM
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6. Yes, "administrative nihilism"
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 03:44 PM by sweetheart
I posted monbiots article in editorials...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x84181
and i must fault him on
writing a difficult peice. He could re-write that to get the point
across early on, instead of half way through.

He's right though, they're not fascists, they're puritains, and only
with the reflective ability to understand pre-america-existance
history and politics is the enlightenment of that article.

Sadly everyone is so joyful with the "fascism" label, they're
willfully misunderstanding the ideological roots of the enemy.
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hnsez Donating Member (430 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 03:46 PM
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7. but what did you think of:
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 03:47 PM by hnsez
tell us what did you think of this (the topic this thread is about)

http://www.opinioneditorials.com/guestcontributors/jbowden_20041112.html

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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:12 PM
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8. muddled propaganda
I don't see much sense in it. It sounds as sensical like
another man corporal's ravings 70 years ago. The straussian
strategy is to accuse your enemy of your crimes. They are merely
being true to form. This is no intellectualism, it is merely
twisting meanings and historical contexts to suggest something that
is not relevant. The 1600's puritain philosophy and its decendents
are relevant as a mythical root. To suggest that the 300 million
americans are STILL playing from that playbook is pure mythology.

The writer has left out the civil war, and that the basis of support
for the bush cabal is entirely the old slave states, excepting the
closly fought border of indiana/ohio and maryland, the borders are
EXACTLY that of the civil war. There, it was moral values as well
that divided the north and south.. and so again.

The writer frames the word "liberal" to mean nothing of the sort,
starting a whole littany of deliberate framing misrepresentations
to support his thesis. I live in the scottish highlands, and one of
those "calvanist" churches is over the hill from where i write this
right now. There is universal healtcare, no crime, nobody's homeless
and the adgenda he claims to have inherited from "here" is hardly
what he's purporting. As i originally stated by omission, the
article is mud, and is as worthless as a faux tv programme on truth.

The DLC and the RNC are both imperialists, and this whole thing is
a global civil war between missionary imperialists who seek to remake
the world in their religious image, and another set of secular
imperialists who seek to remake it in their image through economic
hegemony. Neither has considered their irrelevance in a global
sense, that the indespensible nation is nothing of the sort, and
without the planet to conquor, they are just children fighiting
over a smashed sand castle.

I don't accept the ideological purity, or the sigular rationality
of this thinking. "the wish is parent to the thought." And this
propagandist (the link) wishes to gloat and suggest moral equivalency. The reality is that he is rationalizing war criminals,
like so many german intellectuals 70 years ago.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:16 PM
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11. more clearly
The core to the straussian accusation, is that "we" are motivated
by an ideology like "they" are. They have become to entranced with
their ideology, that they start to think everyone is motivated
similarly. Bollocks.

We are united in wanting none of their ideology. Outside of that,
i'm hard pressed to discover an overarching ideological root to this
side of the fence. He may indeed have pegged the DLC has having
cultic roots, and seeking to be a cult-lite, but they are not the
voters.

Did you vote for kerry because your great great great great great's
emigrated from europe due to the english civil war? I voted because
he is the right man for the presidency, and booosh has proven an
incompetent and destructive administrator. I did not need to
go to some political church to discover my common sense. In his
propaganda outlook, however, i am similarly motivated to them, and
have a long adenda to create a secular amoral yadayadayada. I don't
support gay equal rights because of any reason other than all people
deserve equal rights under the law. Am i a cult member for supporting
equal treatment under the law?

However, they think that is the case, as THEY are voting from a
playbook, where common sense has been taken out, and instead
"thou shalt" has been inserted by the pope puke.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 04:50 PM
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9. The wish is parent to the thought
The two links contrast something very important, the first link
is George Monbiot, an Oxford professor and advocate of real liberalism.
The latter, is a republican spin doctor.

As words decieve, i suggest another way of reading these articles.
Read each one, and then ask yourself how you feel. Do you feel
clearer, more enlightened, wiser for reading? or do you feel
confused and that you're too stupid to understand? Do you feel
good or sick?

The two mindstates contrast liberalism and bushism perfectly. One
is deceptive, misleading and built on false arguments. The other is
attempting to broaden horizons, and educate readers to better perceive
their world. It is no suprise that one is a professional educator,
and the other a republican hack.

My point really, is that people believe what they want, and anyone
that buys the crap in that hack article is willing to subvert their
own innate wisdom and desire to be aware. This willingness to be
decieved is not "fear", though it is certainly pathological. It
is something that cannot be changed through reason. A wolf always
rationalizes eating sheep, no matter the words.
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PaganPreacher Donating Member (653 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:40 PM
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10. Wow. Had no idea...
that "Vegan" was a type of Paganism.

Also surprised to find that "pagan reasoning" is the same as "Humanist Secularist Totalitarianism (sic)."

Who'd a thunk it?

"The stronghold of Liberal Puritanism is witch-burning Massachusetts."
Putting aside the fact that the convicted "witches" in Salem were imprisoned, hanged, or pressed to death (not burned), I thought "pagan reasoning" was the problem. Which is it, "pagan reasoning" or "witch-burning?"

Now I AM confused.

The Pagan Preacher
I don't turn the other cheek.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 09:32 PM
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12. Which is it? "confusion"
Edited on Fri Nov-12-04 09:34 PM by sweetheart
You bagged it. The author is confused and he transmits confusion.
He is trying to sound intellectual, to fog like an octapus the
puritain playbook that underwrites the neocon adgenda, by accusing
us of being "something". But since that is wholly innacurate, it
just comes off as confusing and banal.

The lesson, IMO, of this article is that they are blind towards
thinking their opposition is united by an ideological church, when
in fact they are looking in the mirror. This blindness might be
turned very effectively towards our advantage, as if we operate
outside of the rules of the church, we should win.

They goaded this church to defend gay marriage, as it is anathema
to their mind and cult book. Kerry stood for civil unions which i
beieve is a sensical position for a secular party that supports
equal rights for all persons. But they tarred us with the brush
of the most ideological zealots amongst us, to have us appear as
bent on destroying them as they are of us. Its like the japanese
propagandists during WW2 who told their soldiers to committ suicide
rather than be caught and tortured by those evil gaijin's. (back
when the army did not stand for the abuses it does today. /sad irony)

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