Bob Jones Letter to President - it will curl your hair!

From Talking Points Memo by Joshua Marshall

Dear Mr. President

The media tells us that you have received the largest number of popular votes of any president in America's history. Congratulations!

In your re-election, God has graciously granted America - though she doesn't deserve it - a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet. Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly.

Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. Honor the Lord, and He will honor you.

It goes on. Unfortunately. He talks about appointing conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, se And this guy runs a "university" for Evangelicals.xuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government.

And send it to moderate Republicans so that they can learn what they have caused.

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It really is real! I can hardly believe it. But it's proudly on display at the Bob Jones U. website for all to see:

http://www.bju.edu/letter

Truly scary...

uh, holy shit! Okay, so I'm not first.

earlier this evening, I was flipping channels and caught a snippet of the letter - just two or three sentences, starting with the one about the voice like a trumpet and ending with putting it on the back burner and letting it boil. I didn't hear the name or recognize the picture of BJ III. Then they posed the question, "Does the religious right have too much influence over the president?" It sounded marginally reasonable, considering it was on Fox. Then I came here, and this thread caught my attention, and I read the letter.

We really do live in Jesusland. :cry:

...dividing the party (theirs) is one strategy we need to adopt right away. They're pretty much doing it for us, but we can help them along!

This letter is so frightening because it reveals the negative - fear-based world view of the "Christian" extremists.

By the way, Bob Jones' own educational background apparently didn't include any historical courses on world religions. If it did, he'd have learned that the vast majority of Americans are monotheistic - Christians, Jews and Muslims. "Pagan" means worshiping many Gods. Is he referring to America's rampant Hindu agenda, I wonder?

And this guy runs a University?

from that bunch, Mary H. I used to work with a young lady who got kicked out of that college (interestingly, BJU). She referred to it as an epiphany.

What did she do to get kicked out?

was something to do with being late for a curfew or something like that. She had been a problem case earlier though (wearing too much makeup and a few other things). I only knew her in a work setting, and she was a wonderful, friendly conscientious work in our department (she was a data entry operator at the time).

with a person of another race? (interracial dating is banned at BlowJob U.)

Wow. It sounds like it's harder to stay in this school than to get kicked out.

She said they even had separate sidewalks for the men and women so that there couldn't be any contact at all. Jeez! Make them wear burkas, then.

That said, I went to Mount Vernon Nazarene College (refuse to call it the U. they say it is now), which isn't a whole lot better. I'll never forget my dad and half-brother laughing uproariously when I tried to explain the behavior code. Now that I look back, it was bizarre.

Pagans, Gays and Catholics beware.
This POS is insane!

porn lovers, drunks and prescription drug addicts (Limbaugh, O'Reiley).
They are so repressed it's pathological--really, it is!

Don't insult me by association with those freaks. :)

Heck, there used to be fewer registered voters yet more of them voted, but that was 100 years ago.

Kevin Drum has a good piece (sort of) on this. Worth a look IMHO.

http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/archives/individual/2004_11/005150.php

November 3, 2004

President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

The media tells us that you have received the largest number of popular votes of any president in America's history. Congratulations!

In your re-election, God has graciously granted America—though she doesn't deserve it—a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet. Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly.

Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. Honor the Lord, and He will honor you.

Had your opponent won, I would have still given thanks, because the Bible says I must (I Thessalonians 5:18). It would have been hard, but because the Lord lifts up whom He will and pulls down whom He will, I would have done it. It is easy to rejoice today, because Christ has allowed you to be His servant in this nation for another presidential term. Undoubtedly, you will have opportunity to appoint many conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, sexuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government. You have four years—a brief time only—to leave an imprint for righteousness upon this nation that brings with it the blessings of Almighty God.

Christ said, “If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my father honour” (John 12:26).

The student body, faculty, and staff at Bob Jones University commit ourselves to pray for you—that you would do right and honor the Savior. Pull out all the stops and make a difference. If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them. Conservative Americans would love to see one president who doesn't care whether he is liked, but cares infinitely that he does right.

Best wishes.

Sincerely your friend,

Bob Jones III
President

BJIII:lw

PS: A few moments ago I read this letter to the students in Chapel. They applauded loudly their approval.

When I told them that Tom Daschle was no longer the minority leader of the Senate, they cheered again.

On occasion, Christians have not agreed with things you said during your first term. Nonetheless, we could not be more thankful that God has given you four more years to serve Him in the White House, never taking off your Christian faith and laying it aside as a man takes off a jacket, but living, speaking, and making decisions as one who knows the Bible to be eternally true.

the last election? Something happened - I just don't remember exactly what.

Everyone get that Bible out. If you can't use it for anything else you can beat the opposition over the head with it. Its very in to have a beat up Bible.

Heathens!!!!! May God smite them for that!

Since when did * or this idiot own Christ? These folks are nutts!

The Christ of the New Testament does not approve this message. (imho)

:shrug:

Last time I checked my Christ was all about tolerance, charity, and forgiveness. He went by another name though, what was it . . . .oh yeah, Prince of Peace. Bob must be talking about someone else

believe in the same Jesus. I was talking to my pastor about this just the other night. We were talking about how difficult it is to be a liberal (both politically and theologically) where we live. Our church is new, we only have 30 members, we will never be a large congregation, because we are a liberal congregation in the middle of conservative hell.

It's so frustrating for me, because Christianity in this country has been taken over by the Christian Taleban. It's all the more frustrating because traditional Christians still exist in this this country. We are the ones who believe Jesus was the Prince of Peace, who believe in compassion, charity, love, acceptance, being non-judgemental, doing for the least of these. We are the ones who are intelligent enough to know that the idea of the rapture was invented in the 1800s by a guy who was completely ignorant of orthodox theology. We are the ones who don't confuse science and mythology, who are historically literate enough to know that this country, while founded on traditional laws and morals which could be tied to Judeo-Christian ethos, was still founded as a secular nation.

That sounds a lot like my Christ.

In my view, Jesus is a liberal.

My Christ said to love thy neighbor at yourself.

But maybe Georgie and I learned about a different Christ. His Christ seems to only want him in office, be intolerant towards non Christians and (dare I say) homosexuals, and start pre-emptive wars.

n/t

November 3, 2004

President George W. Bush
The White House
1600 Assmaster Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500

Dear Mr. President:

The media tells us that you won a lottery of sorts. The odds of exit polls being so far off in your favor in three battleground states is 250 million to one as calculated by an MIT professor.
God has graciously granted America—though she doesn't deserve it (and by she, I mean God)—a reprieve from the agenda of paganism (You know, all those naked dancing bodies heaving in the moonlight on the solstice...I've watched enough of that.) You have been given a mandate, but don't worry. You didn't fix the electoral system last time and everything seems to have turned out just fine. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet, or maybe a bit like a rattled tamborine. Just don't speak because you really butcher the English language and quite frankly, it embarasses the Lord daily. We who know the Lord are seriously worried because God is getting pissed of late, what with all your lies and killing.

Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. After all of the stench has turned to vapor, you'll find a scum lined pot. Go ahead and where that to the inauguration. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because...well they despise you. Honor the Saudi Lord, and He will maybe not pound so much hot Saudi sand up your ass.

Had your opponent won, I would have still given thanks, because the Bible says I must (I Thessalonians 5:18). It would have been hard (I BillOreillians 1:00) but because I like it like that, I would have taken it. It is easy to rejoice today, because Satan has allowed you to be His servant in this nation for another presidential term, and this time He didn't have to use the Supreme Court, and that Diebold guy was going to Hell anyway so it really was a good deal. Undoubtedly, you will have opportunity to appoint many conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, sexuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government. But again, don't worry. You didn't do squat last time and here you are again. Hell you even killed 100,000 Iraqis, and made "God knows" how many terrorists in Iraq. You have four years—a brief time only—to leave an imprint for righteousness upon this nation that brings with it the blessings of Almighty God, or for you it could seem like an eternity because we know you'd rather be snorting coke with a bunch of whores on your ranch...whatever.

Christ said, “If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my father honour” (John 12:26). And then there's "Yesterday upon the stairs, I met a man who wasn't there. I saw him there again today, gee I wish he'd go away." (God: last time he checked in and saw you in office.)

The student BODY, faculty, and staff at Bob Jones University commit ourselves to pray for you—that you would do right and honor the Savior. Pull out all the stops, use leather...it makes a difference, and don't cry if Dick (and I DO mean Dick) leaves you chained up too long. If you have weaklings around you who do not share your values, shed yourself of them (if you know what I mean.) Conservative Americans would love to see one president who doesn't care whether he is liked, but cares infinitely that he does right. But don't worry. There is always 2008.

Best wishes.

Sincerely your friend,

Bob Jones III XOXOXO
President

BJIII:lw

PS: A few moments ago I read this letter to the students in Chapel. They applauded loudly their approval and most were released. Those that didn't clap loud enough will scream into their pillows tonight! Hooo Baby.

When I told them that Tom Daschle was no longer the minority leader of the Senate, they said, "Why does the minority lead the Senate? And what is a Daschle?

On occasions, such as waking every morning, Christians have not agreed with things you said during your first term. Nonetheless, we could not be more thankful that God has given you four more years to serve Him in the White House never taking off your Christian faith and laying it aside as a man takes off a jacket, but rather more like dropping your pants for Rove and anyone else feeling a little stress.

That's great! I think there is a typo, though. It's not the biblical principle about family, sexuality, etc. that they want to enforce. It's the "unbiblical" principle!

Dear Mr. President:

The media tells us that you have received the largest number of popular votes of any president in America's history. Congratulations!

In your re-election, God has graciously granted America—though she doesn't deserve it—a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. You have been given a mandate. We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet. Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly.

Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ. Honor the Lord, and He will honor you.

Had your opponent won, I would have still given thanks, because the Bible says I must (I Thessalonians 5:18). It would have been hard, but because the Lord lifts up whom He will and pulls down whom He will, I would have done it. It is easy to rejoice today, because Christ has allowed you to be His servant in this nation for another presidential term. Undoubtedly, you will have opportunity to appoint many conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, sexuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government. You have four years—a brief time only—to leave an imprint for righteousness upon this nation that brings with it the blessings of Almighty God.

Christ said, “If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my father honour” (John 12:26).

The student body, faculty, and staff at Bob Jones University commit ourselves to pray for you—that you would do right and honor the Savior. Pull out all the stops and make a difference. If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them. Conservative Americans would love to see one president who doesn't care whether he is liked, but cares infinitely that he does right.

Best wishes.

Sincerely your friend,

Bob Jones III
President

I live with this stuff every day. Seems like every morning I have to listen to someone go off on a Bible tangent where I eat.

Mostly, its just stupid. And extremely self-centered. And not Christian at all. I refuse to call these pod people Christians. They are a cult that is a lot like the Mormon Religion (also has zillions of followers and their beliefs are really wild - see Book of Mormon and Pearl of Great Price).

Money is at the bottom of a lot of this stuff. If you are good and obey all the rules God will give you stuff.

And yesterday at breakfast one guy was going on about not even having to think about it because God had guaranteed that he would go to heaven.

I get so sick of it.

And this type of "Christianite" thinking disgusts me. It also disgusts me that Shrub panders to the purveyors of this garbage.

Here's a little piece a friend sent me that puts the whole thing in perspective:

**Maybe this will help in gaining perspective on using the Bible with care--and, perhaps, in understanding Jesus' teaching that the Law and Prophets are to be heeded only when consistent with loving God and one's neighbor (as one's self):
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Dear Bible-Thumper,

Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I try to share that knowledge with as many people as I can.

When someone tries to defend the homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus 18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. That settles the argument.

I do need some advice from you, however, regarding some other elements of God's Laws and how to follow them:

1. Leviticus 25:44 states that I may possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can't I own Canadians?

2. I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21: 7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her?

3. I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev.15: 19-24). The problem is how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

4. When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev.1: 9). The problem is with my neighbors. They claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them? And does this apply to barbecuing on an outdoor grill?

5. I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself, or should I ask the police to do it?

6. A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don't agree. Can you settle this? Are there 'degrees' of abomination?

7. Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle-room here?

8. Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev. 19:27. How should they die?

9. I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

10. My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them (Lev. 24:10-16)? Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair, like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws (Lev. 20:14)?

I know you have studied these things extensively and thus enjoy considerable expertise in such matters, so I am confident you can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal and unchanging.

Love,

Your Friend in Christ

I remember Jed Bartlet using a similar speech in an episode of The West Wing.

Unfortunately, you can't receive private messages here at DU so I will have to call you out in public. :D

I can't begin to tell you how glad I am to have your voice here at DU. After being absorbed by your blog I've decided that if I'm ever to be reconciled to the protestant church, it will be through a Christian like you. Many of us have been alienated (and hurt) by Christianity; your blog entries of 3/21/04 and 12/6/03 helps diminish my cynicism. Thank you for being the light you champion.

God grant that we have the opportunity to cross paths again. All good things to you! :hi:

Twisted, mind you, but just hilarious. The sad thing about this is that the "Bible-Thumpers" just won't get it.

They are so much into their religion that they are delusional. That is what makes them so dangerous. :)

I'm copying this to send to all my friends and some of my family members.

:hi:

I know a few bible thumpers that I think I'll have to forward that too if you don't mind!

I like it!

You guys might enjoy a similarly entertaining piece at the whitehouse.org parody site:

http://www.whitehouse.org/dof/marriage.asp

I am a Mormon and also a staunch liberal democrat. We are not like the Bob Jones of the world. Granted, there are some mormons who are very conservative, but there are many who are democrats, such as front runner for the minority leader job Harry Reid of NV. Considering the democratic leadership in congress need all the support they can get, it might not be best to start off calling him a cultist. Unlike other churches the mormon church has never endorsed one candidate over the other. Mormons believe in social welfare programs and even approve of abortion in certain cases. Most of all they let their people choose for themselves who they will vote for.

Every religion has weird stuff in it. But I am not here to judge the merits of any theology and appreciate if you'd show others the same courtesy.

not all Mormons are right-wing religious zealots.

There is a Mormon church down the street from where we live and a friend of mine used to go there before she moved away. She hurt her back and couldn't work and the Church paid her rent and provided her with groceries.

They really take care of their own; I was impressed. But I have a feeling that some of the Mormon churches in Utah are a lot more conservative than churches here in California.

By the way, Welcome to DU! :hi:

Bob Jones Jr., son of the founder, was a close friend and ally of Ian Paisley, the rabidly anti-Catholic leader of Northern Ireland's Democratic Unionist Party. In 1966, two days after Paisley was released from prison, Jones traveled to Northern Ireland to give Paisley an honorary degree from Bob Jones University. (Others who received Bob Jones honorary degrees around the same time were George Wallace, Strom Thurmond and Lester Maddox.)

In their 1986 book "Paisley," Irish journalists Ed Moloney and Andy Pollak wrote that Paisley and Bob Jones Jr. "share a profound hostility, bordering on paranoia, toward any religious group, however evangelical, which has any time for ideas deemed by them not to be based on the infallible Bible ...

"From (Jones) Paisley learned about the extraordinary variety of deviations from the true American Protestantism: dubious Southern Baptists, neo-evangelicals like Billy Graham (already a favorite Paisley target), followers of 'neo-orthodoxy,' 'pseudo-fundamentalists,' false revivalists, and the 'new pentecostalists' of the charismatic movment -- a particular anathema to Jones ...

www.uexpress.com/johnleo/?uc_full_date=20000227

This article was written after Bush's controversial campaign visit to BJU. That year, John Ashcroft joined the august company of BJU honorees.

All these "moral values" folks need to learn more about their allies.

I don't understand how you could ever reconcile the New Testament with this stuff. I guess its just their idea of "spin."

I used to have a friend that was from a very strict church and they believed in demons. She used to have horrible nightmares about demons coming to get her.

cursed. He was a rabid segregationist. Today interracial dating is not allowed at BJU, because they take the verse in the Bible about not being unequally yoked to mean that Black people and White people should not date or inner marry. BJU is not an accredited university. Well, they are accredited in photography (go figure). But an alarming thing is their homeschool curriculum is very popular in fundamentalist circles and thosands of homeschooling families are using this hate-filled, biggoted, error-filled curriculum to "educate" their children.

...is ignorance of what "pagan" means. Send this letter around to everyone you know, especially semi-sane repubs. The information on all the different religions Jones is against should go with it. I'll bet few worshipping in those denominations realize how reviled they are by who they consider their "allies."

his lucky brown shirt when he wrote that.

This is precisely the sort of stuff we should spread around. Let people know what the "kinda folks who like Dubya" have to say.

I don't believe she read it, her response was simply: "the better man won."

I hope you wrote her back and said, "Nope, the better man had it stolen from him for the second time in four years." :evilgrin:

I wouldn't have been able to help myself. ;)

Haven't heard a peep since. OK, here's the reply:

I wouldn't say "the better man". Only the man who lied the most, frightened people the most, and was the dirtier politician. The man who sent letters to religious conservatives claiming that John Kerry wanted to 'ban the Bible' (I'll send you a copy if you don't believe it). The man who 'glares' at reporters if he doesn't like the question. The man who's VP stated that if Kerry were elected, we would be "hit hard by the terrorists". The man who raises the terror alert every time his #'s start going down (I have a timeline). The man who subscribes to the silly notion that being gay is a choice and if gays are allowed to marry, people will start marrying their dogs. The man who believes that the president's religious views take precedence over the Constitution. The man who said "I don't think I ever said that catching Osama bin Laden wasn't a priority" and was immediately confronted with a video of himself saying just that. The man who, referring to war on terror, said "I don't think you can WIN IT" and then a day later changed his mind and said" we will WIN IT" and then criticized his opponent for saying the same thing. The man who made his fortune from insider trading. The man who presented his Medicare plan to the Congress, was told by Republicans that they would not vote for it if it cost more than $400 billion, told them it would only cost $395 billion, threatened the actuary who compliled the figures with losing his job if he revealed the correct numbers (testified to before Congress), then it was found out that the actual cost was MUCH higher. The man who has sealed all of his records including: his Texas driving record (New England driving record includes DUI), all records from when he was governor of Texas, all of his and his father's presidential records, all of his medical records, SEC investigation of Harken bankruptcy. The man who claims he will now, in order: "reach across the aisle" (said the same thing in 2000 and has yet to do so), step up his radical agenda, use his political capital that he "earned" because he has a 'mandate' (he won the popular vote by 3%). The man who had operatives within the 'Swift Boat Liars' (one even appeared in a commercial and then had to resign from the campaign) and claimed he was not involved. The man who's supporters in government can't understand the outrage over torturing prisoners (80-90% now believed to be innocent) and say things like "for the GOP to do well, we have to suppress the Detroit vote"-direct quote from Rep.Pappageorge from Oakland County (he resigned from Bush campaign). The man who's election workers and monitors: harass voters, take down license #'s and follow people (South Dakota, Native Americans who usually vote Democrat, documented and ordered by a judge to cease and desist), register voters but throw away those registering as Democrats (documented in Nevada and Oregon), send out flyers to voters in poor areas saying "Republicans vote on Nov. 2, Democrats vote on Nov. 3", change polling places at the last minute, jam phone lines at call-in centers for rides to the polls (two men are in jail now for this), present phony 'felons lists' loaded with Democratic voters to election officials without being able to verify they are felons, "lose" 58,000 absentee ballots in Broward County, FL and wrongly tell those who have applied for them that they cannot vote (look in Jeb's garage!), claim that Democrat poll workers chased them with their car and caused an accident, said they filed a police report but neither they, nor the police could produce one (or any witnesses for that matter), claim that they are being harassed by Democrats, yet the only other thing they can come up with is that some MoveOn.org volunteers had to be asked to stay 100 ft. from polling place. The man who's friends include the owners of the 2 largest manufacturers of highly corruptible and recount proof touch-screen voting machines (they have both promised to help deliver their states, Ohio and Georgia, for Bush). A man who's VP still insists that Saddam Hussein had something to do with 9/11, that he has NO ties to Halliburton (he does and by his own documentation I can prove it), and that he never met John Edwards before their debate (he never once met with ANY Democrats when presiding over Senate, entered and left from Republican side, and closed all meetings to Democrats, and there are several photos of them meeting outside of Senate chambers, shaking hands, eating together, etc.), lied about his own attendance record, lied about Edwards' attendance (100%, 98%, 100%, 98% in first 4 years).
Face it, Bush is NOT gracious, he is NOT 'classy', he is NOT a statesman. He is a phony. He does NOT "work his land". What does he grow? What does he raise on his 1,600 acres? Brush? Does he have horses? Actually, he is afraid of horses. He is a phony athlete. If he actually biked the 17 miles McClellan claims he did, I would be very surprised. 3 times in one year, he fell off his bike. 2 of those times, he landed right on his face. I spent half of my childhood on a bike and only fell off once. Rove has tried to invent a better Bush, but he's still nothing but hype, spin, and PR. Yes, Karl Rove is better at 'Fear and Smear' but I don't see that as an honorable trait. Rove has also been known to bug his own office and claim his opponent did it. However, his all-time dirtiest trick was when he was running a judge's campaign. His opponent worked with children's charities. They found a photo of the guy holding hands with a child and started a whisper campaign that the man was a pedophile. This was admitted by someone who worked on the campaign. In the old days, campaigns were about making your opponent look like a buffoon. Rove and Bush are not satisfied with just winning, they try to ruin their opponent's life, reputation and career. They are the filthiest politicians this country has ever seen. And what kind of 'Christian man' starts a war, kills as many as 100,000 people including 1,100 (and counting) of our own soldiers under a constantly changing rationale? Not to mention the 9,000 wounded, some with loss of limbs, sight, hearing. And all the while, enriching his war profiteering friends and supporters. This man claims to have "moral clarity"! Now we're seeing people being kidnapped, their heads are being sawn off while they are still alive! Has to be the most horrible thing I have ever heard of. There is a lot of blood on Bush's hands. If a Democrat did this, you would be just as outraged as I am. And so would I. You should really read the article that I sent you. I have only scratched the surface here, this is just from memory. I must have 100 documents downloaded. I have researched this and researced this. If it wasn't documented, provable and believable, I wouldn't believe it. I am a reasonable man.You can't make this stuff up. It's pretty scary. It's scary because people are so gullible, they believe Bush is sent by God. He is despicable for using fear to get his way.

No wonder you haven't heard from her. She's probably speechless. And deservedly so.

I loved what you wrote so much, I saved it. Hope you don't mind if I 'borrow' from it from time to time. It's too good to pass up!
:)

but there really is a lot of evidence against these thugs. Sometimes, you have to try to put it all down just to grasp how bad they are. I haven't even addressed the election fraud with her yet.

I guess * really is God! Hopefully he will ascend to heaven soon!

About time the American Taliban was equated with its Middle Eastern counterpart, don't you think?

Fascism Now!

Sometimes I am embarrassed to be from SC and this is one of them.

....so they will be very disappointed..........

All liars shall have their part in the lake of fire. Satan himself is an angel light. this president couldn't even quote one scripture. read math 24: and it will show that this is not a righteous man.

Read this and think
And before him shall be gathered all nations: and he shall separate them one from another, as a shepherd divideth his sheep from the goats:
And he shall set the sheep on his right hand, but the goats on the left.
Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand,Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the Kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world:
For I was an hungered, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger,and ye took me in:
Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye came unto me.
Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord. when saw thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee thee drink?
When saw thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee?
Or when saw thee we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee?
and the King shall answer ans say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto the one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.
then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
Does this sound like a righteous president.

these expectations. He's already pissed off Pastor whatshisname with the gigantic following by nominating Gonzales for AG. United we stand, divided they fall!

By the way, I'd like to mention that George W Bush can take his "mandate" and "capital" and kiss my big, beautiful buttocks. On second thought - that's kind gross. He can kiss my 16 year old linebacker son's feet. Have a nice day.

JTT

We are Americans.

We are teachers, lawyers, bankers, and doctors.
We work in factories, warehouses, farmhouses and office buildings.
We attend sporting events, company picnics, church functions, and reunions.
...and we believe we are a united country.

We stand up and sing along when we hear the National Anthem and speak loudly when we recite the Pledge of Allegiance.
We know love and life-long commitment are the foundations of a family.
We honor those who dedicate their lives to serving and protecting our children, our families, and our freedom.
We honor those who gave their lives for freedom by respecting the freedom of our neighbors to live the lives they lead.
We know that God gives us the strength to succeed and the wisdom to know the difference between right and wrong.
We ask our teachers and parents to work together in order to help our children succeed.
We demand a maximum return for our tax investments and believe they should be used for the greater good.

We believe in the American birth-right of life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness.
We believe in empowering and giving voices to all Americans.
We believe in is both a right and responsibility to speak out where we feel there is injustice.
We believe in the sanctity of nature and that the beauty of America must be preserved.
We believe in cultivating a culture of service where we develop stronger communities built on empathy.
We believe in working hard and embracing progress in order to ensure better opportunties for our children.
We believe in our cultural inheritence set forth by our founding fathers to never be satisfied with the status quo.
We believe in being a beacon of hope and integrity for the rest of the world.

We are hard-workers, free-thinkers and freedom-lovers.
We are Americans.

-TCNJ 11/12/04

I saved it, and intend to refer back to it from time to time...

Great post! Glad you found us. :hi:

at least, according to this article:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/11/11/bush.cabinet/index.html

As this is my first post to Democratic Underground, I have composed a silly poem on the matter. Ahem.

Georgie Porgie, frighten and lie
rigged the 'lection, made us cry
When the fundies demand their due
Georgie Porgie ticks them off, too!

Fine first post -- welcome aboard!

These strict reconstructionists believe that America will only have God's blessing as long as America backs Israel 100%. They believe that giving Palestine any of the lands promised to Israel in the Bible is an abomination. remember these people believe that they have to usher in the retun of Christ. They think Bush is their guy to do this, and now he has backed the formation of an independent Palestinian state. There will be major fundy fallout folks!

I could have sworn this was satire. There's no way this can be serious... O_o

until i got to the end. what a wake-up call for me to realize that these people are so freakish!

Yeah, right, Bob. I despise Bush because I despise his Christ. It has nothing to do with:

1. Bush's having been appointed, not elected, to the presidency in 2000;

2. His having surrounded himself with the godawfulest right-wingers imaginable;

3. His pillaging of the environment;

4. Tax cuts that go almost exclusively to the wealthiest 2-3% of Americans;

5. His incompetence having allowed the 9/11 terror attacks to happen;

6. His lying to get us into an illegal, unnecessary and immoral war that so far has killed more than 1,100 Americans and about 100,000 Iraqis.

But why do I really hate Bush? Because I hate his Christ! Un-fucking-believable.

administration could stand on their accomplishments
in his first term, playing the "Jesus Card" was no
doubt the smartest thing Rove could have done.

That he had no King but Jays'us?

Okay, so Reagan wanted to be King Ron the First so very badly, but that's beside the point. Doesn't the Constitution contain several line items intended to prevent a monarchy from forming in this country?

You wrongly assume that the US Constitution is adhered to by our legislators. I believe constitutional government in this country is slowly being undermined by the judicial branch. This country bears Little resemblance to what our founding fathers visualized.

but one would at least expect them to obey the proscription against crowning a fucking king.

Then again...Bush feels he rules by divine right, so maybe that's gone too.

A goat's-blood bath? Eating a baby or two? Hot-monkey sex with, um, overheated simians?

:grr:

8:30 - meditation
9:00 - bike to work

Yak's blood, yummy Yak's blood!

http://www.bobalanis.com/pooh.html

How do you think the Republican party will handle this stuff? As a non-Christian it freaks me out. Is there any chance they will denounce it?

give them some rope and watch them hang themselves.

Already we've seen Arlen Specter crucified (no pun intended) for his centrist views. Now comes the unrestrained stream of hate and bile from the mouths of "Christians."

They are coming out in droves and spewing their hate. They want payback for their loyalty and it ain't going to be pretty.

I am so going to enjoy watching the Republican party go down in flames.

I know better than to line up behind a candidate with the likes of Bob Jones and his university of prejudicial thought and behavior. I'll be doing what I can to convince other Catholics to consider for a moment whom it is this President and the right-wing embrace. It sure isn't mainstream Catholics.

What a FUCKING MORON

You owe the liberals nothing. They despise you because they despise your Christ.

This is getting out of hand.

Hey Bob Jones you sicko freak. Listen up...I AM LIBERAL and you won't believe this, but I am also Christian, although if you keep this shit up I may become a fucking devil worshiper...now how is that for missionary work?

I seem to remember scriptural words to the effect: that no one should cause a "stumbling block" that others would fall (from faith)...

If those folks keep this up and good peeps like you "fall away" from faith, looks like 'ole Bob and friends are soon to take a bath in some very "HOT" deep shit.... :smoke:

Does anyone happen to know Mr. Jones' e-mail address? I would like to send him a personalized response.

Bob Jones has nothing to do with religion or God or Christ. It's an elitist, superstitious club. They use Christianity as window dressing. It's not about religion...it's more akin to the neo-Nazi's.

The belief is in being the chosen ones of the kind of god prehistoric people believed in. If you remember the book "Lord of the Flies" and the god the children invented (which turned out to be a wind-inflated parachute), that's the sort of god the Bob Jones people believe in. He's a mean, vengeful, arbitrary god who must constantly be appeased by cajoling and flattery.or he will smash and destroy. It's a belief system that attracts immature, childish people who want to convince the god they've invented that they are worthy and that you and I are not.

It's a belief based on fear and superstition. but it is not a religion as religion is understood today. It's a 600 BC religion. That's the era when myths were first written down to make sense of the random events in life. The Bob Jones people are scared shitless and have invented a god who favors them.

Ratfuck Diary (http://ratfuckdiary.blogspot.com)

as a former RW fundamentalist, I know how dangerous this FORM of "Christianity" can be. They actually believe that liberals are being led by the anti-Christ. When liberals "bash" Christians we fall right in line with their "end times" delusions.

We need a liberal Christian movement. Liberal Christians must speak out. Those of moderate faith must expose these extremists.

Read damn near anything Jesus Christ said and it would sound exactly like what Martin Luther King, Ghandi, FDR, Paul Wellstone, etc...said....all decidedly leftists.

Just throw Jesus' words back at them. They are now trying to reinterpret the Bible to suggest greed, hate, exploitation are all good, but that will be a tough sell i think.

In a way I have to thank them. If Bush hadn't enraged me so, I'd probably still have my head in the sand about politics. If his administration hadn't brought the rather unchristlike fundie vision of Christianity to the forefront, I wouldn't have been inspired to look for more progressive Christian groups.

He just plays one on TV.

Joyce Meyer.....?

My cable provider shifted stations around so I had to reset my TV/tuner. I skidded to a stop on a channel with this huge, brassy broad spouting out the "gospel" in the same format as Jimmy, Hinn, CBN/Crouch..etc..

I watched her do her "thing", amazed that anyone could fall for her rap. She had the longest RED fingernails, sequins on her suit jacket, HIGH HEELED shoes, and a whiskey voice. All dolled up for Vegas...yet had the audience trembling and weeping (and buying her book)...WTH??

Her address is out of Missouri, I think. joycemeyer.org
Televangelism is profitable, no?

I guess Marx/Lenin were only part right: Religion is the opiate of the people all right.....but "we will destroy you from within" didn't exactly take flight did it.

If so many of you people in here hate religion, why do so many of you lament the destruction of mosques in Fallujah? It is a relevant question.... You obviously love the destruction and death of Islam... You are a bunch of left-wing Jew hypocrites who would prefer to see the death of American soldiers over the destruction of symbols of hate... oh, yeah.. and Diebold stole they election! lol... lol.. lol... We beat your asses! lol

And cults and ignorance and bigotry.

You wouldn't understand.

As in, you hate bigotry as long as it isn't aimed at your political enemies.. No one can say anything about ignorant blacks, or Welfare cases, illegal aliens, or Arabs, but if you want to be a bigot towards Christians that is fine.... That stinks, and you all know it.. You left-wingers are all the worse.. You preach tolerance, but only for the various minorities that line up at the polls to vote for your pathetic candidates.. It's open season on Christians.. but not on blacks, or illegal aliens, Arab terrorists, or whatever other non-Americans that vote for your candidates.

why so pissy? Go back to Freeperland.

Jesus didn't endorse racism or stereotypes. Honestly - that you believe you exemplify Christian values! Sounds like you've fallen prey to the anti-Christ and heretical teachings...

Bush is really just his stupid sidekick.

God is LOVE,
what you preach has no place in Jesus
Jesus said "Love one another"
This means everybody...Jesus had compassion on the poor, the stranger, the "least among you"
Your religion of hate is not Christianity

I'd say it was nice meeting you but I don't like to lie.

on edit: I just realized that your silly post is #66 - OMG, you're 2/3 antichrist! Snort!!!

What a maroon! Bye!

Considering I *am* a Christian. Yes, yes, indeedy - some of us liberal leftwingers are actually Christians. Do you really think the fundamentalist right owns Christianity? They'd certainly like to think so.

Alonzo!

Read and Learn.

Wow! You people are just cutting loose with it, aren't you? No more pretense.

Funny, it's not as pretty as I imagined - especially the left-wing Jews comment.

You don't happen to know if Condi or Colin are married to white folk, do you? I'm, ah, asking for a friend.

Cheers,
Bobby

I sent it back to Mr. Jones himself:

(translations are mine) ;) :evilgrin: :D

Dear Mr. President:

The media tells us that you have received the largest number of popular votes of any president in America's history. Congratulations! (translation for normal people: Getting more votes in some places than there were voters doesn't matter. Karl Rove did the Lord's work, that's all that matters! Who cares who suffers?)

In your re-election, God has graciously granted America—though she doesn't deserve it (translation, we don't deserve anything, our ignorance keeps us warm at nights) —a reprieve from the agenda of paganism. (translation: your kids cannot dress up as witches and goblins and other characters at Hallowe'en, but your conservative daddy sure can play dress up when "role playing" with his pregnant 16 year old mistress)


You have been given a mandate. (translation: Killing in the name of the Lord is, kinda, okay now cuz we say it is, and we need to be right, we are "little" men) We the people expect your voice to be like the clear and certain sound of a trumpet.( translation: can't it be that of a saxophone? Or perhaps a flute? Or that loud pitched wail you hear when a conservative female is wailing for more pin money?) Because you seek the Lord daily, we who know the Lord will follow that kind of voice eagerly. (translation: Jesus consorted with whores. Maybe he really is conservative? Darn it all)

Don't equivocate. Put your agenda on the front burner and let it boil. (translation: can it burn dry? Will putting it in the microwave do?) You owe the liberals nothing. (translation: liberals are too tired supporting you, bud, they deserve a tax break) They despise you because they despise your Christ. (translation: now, that wasn't very christian, you homely self-serving bigot. MY christ doesn't hate, bozo) Honor the Lord, and He will honor you. (translation: no wonder why you're so bitter and so PISSED off, he forgot you,didn't he?)

Had your opponent won, I would have still given thanks, because the Bible says I must (translation: oh, well, that's so gracious and so liberal! )(I Thessalonians 5:18) (translation: is that the sequel to Thessalonians 5:17 ? Maybe I can get it on DVD,is it coming out soon?) . It would have been hard, but because the Lord lifts up whom He will and pulls down whom He will, I would have done it. (translation: you lost me, I kind of mistake you for a guy who never really made it in life, is bitter because of that fact, and cannot seem to find easy women around him, hmm)

It is easy to rejoice today, because Christ has allowed you to be (translation: To be what? Thought God gave us all personal choice. Look at what Shrub chose to be, curls your toe hairs, eh? )His servant in this nation for another presidential term. Undoubtedly, you will have opportunity to appoint many conservative judges and exercise forceful leadership with the Congress in passing legislation that is defined by biblical norm regarding the family, sexuality, sanctity of life, religious freedom, freedom of speech, and limited government. (translation: Does this mean I have to tease my hair, wear no makeup, and smile obediently at my man? I don't want to be a Bob Jones girl, I want to be a full fledged human being! You nazi, don't take away MY lipstick, and hands off my womb, loser! )

You have four years—a brief time only—to leave an imprint for righteousness upon this nation that brings with it the blessings of Almighty God. (translation: Well the Lord made this earth in 7 days, I wouldn't be too picky about the timeframe, bub. I think a few imprints have been made already, Lord help us. )
Christ said, “If any man serve me, let him follow me; and where I am, there shall also my servant be: if any man serve me, him will my father honour” (John 12:26). (translation: This "John" sounds like a pretty righteous liberal dude. I could do him out of wedlock.)

The student body, faculty, and staff at Bob Jones University commit ourselves to pray for you (translation: I'll be praying, too, possibly for more civilized, human reasons) —that you would do right and honor the Savior. (translation: maybe a full cheerleaders can lead a "Pray for Jaysus" rally. You can toast marshmallows on a big bonfire. Have a little "mixer" for the kiddies, I'm sure they need to be laid BIG TIME. Oh, I digress. Sorry.) Pull out all the stops and make a difference. (translation: bring "liquor" devil's juice, moonshine, whatever you call it, to the aforementioned "mixer", loosen up the kiddies.)

If you have weaklings around you who do not share your biblical values, shed yourself of them. (translation: Like a snake sheds it'd dead skin?? Ewwwww, that's , like, GROSS, bud.) Conservative Americans would love to see one president who doesn't care whether he is liked, but cares infinitely that he does right. (translation: wait a minute, thought he was liked, the "most popular votes" thingy. Oh, do you know something is up about that? Something sinister and bad? Do dish, babe. Do dish

Best wishes.

Sincerely your friend,

Bob Jones III
(translation: I need you, George, I need your kind of healing, "friend")

I have no problem with Bush thinking, wishing, hoping he is the second coming of Christ. Let's indulge the boy king -- so long as it all ends the same way. I'll get the spikes, if you'll get the hammer, if Matt gets the thorny crown, if Gizmo gets the cross, if Marge picks out the hill. And no tickets will be sold to the resurrection, because there ain't gonna be one.

We should have slogans/bumper stickers like this.

I'm making my kid a T-shirt that quotes the full text of Leviticus 19:19 (any true Christians won't mind looking that one up) and facetiously says something along the lines of:

"Support the Constitutional Amendmant to ban 50/50 cotton/poly Ts"

Any true Christian also knows that this passage of Leviticus is every bit as appropriate and in context as a certain other passage from Leviticus that has been used as a weapon of terror against certain minority groups in the US.

Sojourners actually had a similar bumper sticker that said:

"GOD is NOT a Republican

...or a Democrat"

before the election. I thought they were awesome. Not sure if they're still selling them. (http://www.sojo.net , if you're interested)

Actually, I despise the cleverly devised fables of your so-called holy book Mr. Jones. You ought to read it when you get the chance, especially the esoteric parts! ;-)

Lord spare us from their brand of righteousness. Amen.

I sent them an email (wesite comments at bottom of bob jones page) and told them that they and Bush were going to hell for blasphemy.

It's FUN....try it!

:)

Brother Jones eloquently articulates what we godless heathens already know in the bottom of our dark, perverted hearts. Verily, verily, we need to turn away from our EVIL ideology and embrace the pure, 'christian' moral values of our beloved repUGLYcan brothers and sisters. Through painful soul searching we have to face the fact that we're just a shrinking cadre of pagans in fifth gear heading down the highway to Hell.
And those of us who still believe in God and call ourselves Christians don't understand the 'true' jesus they do. Some of us are still even foolish enough to believe that Jesus was and still is the 'prince of peace', whose teachings advocate feeding the poor and helping the sick and elderly and caring for and respecting all living things and treating others as we would wish them to treat us and other silly stuff like that.
But that's WRONG, their jesus is a gun-toting, money hungry skinhead orc who drives around in the biggest ass SUV on the planet, with longhorns mounted on the hood, with a zesty passion for hatred and a 'heavenly' love of killing. As Brother Falwell so beautifully sayeth 'Blow them all to bits in the name of the Lord'. Of course he doesn't say who their 'lord' is. Verily, verily, their 'lord' is MONEY and all of their 'moral' posturing is cleverly crafted to reinforce and build upon their sacred foundation of FAITH in it. And the more unsuspecting souls they can rake along with them the more sublime their bliss, both the neocons and the old moldy cons, Keyword: CON. they believe in the divine power of numbers as long as there are $ dollar signs in front of them.
If Jesus himself were running against them you know he'd be branded as a 'fag' loving peace embracing tax and spend LIEberal with the hint of a mass-a-chew-sluts accent. Therein LIE their 'moral values'... the perversion of TRUTH. Amen.

Good post...and welcome to DU. :hi:

Thank on both counts, there's always hope so keep up the good fight.

When you read this letter it truly is scary. It is almost like a threat that they didn't like what he did in his firt term and he better get his act together in the 2nd term. He apparently recognizes Bush's weakness (easy target for a puppet) and plans to take full advantage of it.

A letter from a sick/insane man such as this to Bush who called Bush's daddy a "devil" is amazing because HE upheld the US Constitution and the freedom to all that it promises . Who are the pagens Dr. Jones? Perhaps it's time for you to consider doing some inner soul searhing sir before you answer my question! The answer is obvious to many of us. We are not the pagens as you suggest in your teachings/brainwashing of your students and supporters and any other weakling that will listen to you. No... sir, perhaps you should get your mirror out and rethink what you are teaching!

This letter seems to echo that son better not follow in daddy's footsteps or ???... And Bush will probably read the letter thinking he is wonderful, rather than seeing what it really means. It could have just as well been written to "Puppet of the United States". Has son defied even daddy's understanding of the founding documents of our country? Dr. Jones apparently thinks so (and we all remember, Dr. Jones, that you are not the first "Jones" to lead their flock astray).

Excerpt from slate regarding a South Carolina press conference on February 17, 2000 which further shows the hypocrisy and lies of the Bush son": http://slate.msn.com/id/1004636 (full text)
Notes on Bush
Jacob Weisberg
Posted Friday, Feb. 18, 2000, at 5:40 PM PT

"At his press conference in Florence, S.C., yesterday, Bush was asked whether he now wished he had spoken out against the interracial-dating policy at Bob Jones University when he visited there, as Alan Keyes argued Bush should have done in Tuesday night's debate. Bush responded that he "wasn't very aware of the interracial-dating policy" before his visit to the school. Like Bush's recent claim about why he didn't speak to the Log Cabin Republicans(full text: http://slate.msn.com/id/1004610), this was a transparent and self-serving lie. The fact that Bob Jones University bans interracial dating is the only thing most people know about Bob Jones University. It has been a national issue for more than a decade. Indeed, Bob Jones III called W.'s father a "devil" when he took the position that the university should lose its tax-exempt status because of its discriminatory policies. For candidate Bush to be so clueless as to be unaware of this history would almost be worse than his lying about it."

It's one of those little wink and nods the GOP does that lets the racists know "we're with you"

needs to be crushed, and this Bob Jones letter is one more good reason.

www.aclu.org
www.pfaw.org

Hello DU folk-
I am a new blogger here but have been following your site for awhile, and loving it. Other than the one post that didn't get removed (yet),
by the apparent freeper who blasted leftie Jews, (a group to which I proudly belong). Too bad he forgot to add "Commie Pinko Sissies," so the reference wasn't really complete. I gave myself a username in honor of his posting, as we all know that when ugly rears its head, Jews will sooner or later be on the receiving end of the spewing bile.

Needless to say I am alarmed by the BJU letter, I knew the wingnuts would come for pay back, it seems they are about to breach the wall separating church and state with their battering ram-- using their idea of God's head as the battering ram. When will they (we) ever learn?

A good site to learn more about the true plan of Dominionists like Frist
and BJU and Ashcroft, is at the website Theocracywatch.org

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I'm a red stater, too. Live in Houston, Texas.

Bob Jones III seems like a dangerous loon to me. He's the latest in a long line of right-wing ultra-Calvinist racist creeps. But that's just my opinion.

America is supposed to be about freedom, Mark. That means you have the right to believe in anything you want as long as it doesn't infringe upon the rights of others. If you want to believe that god is a rock in Dick Cheney's backyard, that's fine, as long as you don't impose that belief on others and force others to live according to that belief.

There's nothing new about religious extremism, we've all seen the horror it can wreak once those wheels start turning and Bob Jones is clearly a religious extremist. Any religion that extols killing, hatred and greed is no religion at all in my book and any government that follows that lead is in deep trouble.

Whether their beliefs are just about money or insanity or hatred or the deception of others to pad their numbers it infringes upon the rights of all others when activated. I don't detest 'their jesus', I don't even believe their jesus exists other than a fabrication designed to meet their agenda.

I am both liberal and conservative. Liberal is being open to new ideas and accepting them IF they're GOOD. Conservative is keeping and cherishing the GOOD we have. I realize that they regard the word 'liberal' as a curse, which is fine. When cursed I always consider the source.

I do agree with Jones on one thing, America doesn't deserve another four years of George W. Bush, we deserve a lot better. Even in that, Jones sadly curses America, but we consider the source. You deserve better.

It's fun here isn't it? Watch out though, before you know it you'll be addicted. Welcome to DU! :hi:

...so where's the scriptural basis for "limited government?" What would Jesus do? Well, I don't know - but he'd sure as hell cut our taxes! Who gives a shit about social welfare! Praise our fiscally conservative Lord and Savior! Did you know that Jesus' two most important directives were NOT love your God with all your heart and love your neighbor as yourself? Nope. It was privatize! and deregulate! Hallelujah!

the rules of the breeding ground of the american taliban:

http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/rhall

I point out a few very scary things:

"For the sake of accountability, students must "check out" when they leave the campus. Students gradually acquire more freedom in this area as they become upperclassmen."

Irony here...:

"Music must be compatible with the University's music standards:
New Age, jazz, rock, and country music is not permitted.
Contemporary Christian music is not permitted (e.g., Michael W. Smith, Stephen Curtis Chapman, WOW Worship, and so forth)."

"All weapons must be turned in for storage. Trigger locks are required for pistols. Fireworks are not permitted on campus."

So you can't have Jazz music at the american taliban headquarters, but you can bring a gun. I just listened to Incubus - woops I'm going to hell.

Seriously, this is bullshit. I'm a member of my church's youth leadership group and we are not this way at all. Rather than focus on all these rules we focus on relationships. Must I remind you that this university encouraged segregation until the year 2000 (they refused Blacks until 1971, only allowed married Black couples until 1975, lost their tax exempt status on denying interracial dating by an 8-1 ruling against the university in 1983, and didnt eliminate that policy until year 2000). Guys, I thought I saw it all with the whole election bullshit but this takes the cake. This is America's version of al Qaeda and the Taliban combined right on our soil. I'm not lying when I say this - I'd rather go to jail than be 100 miles from that place.