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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:00 PM
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My Name is David Zephyr And I Represent the Democratic Wing at the DU!
Yep. For all the rest of you whining about dragging our party further to the right, you are in for a fight.

I am taking the words of the good Doctor Dean and saying, "My name is David Zephyr and I represent the Democratic Wing of the DemocraticUnderground."

Who else is with me?
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:02 PM
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1. I'm with you....
Even my moderate Democratic friend now agrees.
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Pacifist Patriot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:02 PM
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2. I'll be darned if I'm so much as nudging a smidge to the right, but...
let's not use the whining word intra-party. I've had right-wingers up to my eyeballs using that word today and I'm about to choke. ;-)
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Dr.Phool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:03 PM
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3. Besides
There's a lot of Republicans living in Zephyrhills, Florida!!
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mitchum Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:04 PM
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4. I am with you, David
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:04 PM
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5. Me no budge
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WarNoMore Donating Member (530 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:04 PM
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6. No more Republican Lite!!
Count me in.
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:04 PM
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7. We've been waiting for you David
Some here have been calling for a return to old fashioned democratic values, a rejection of the neoconservative takeover of that party and being vilified by many here....welcome and jump right in!
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mtnsnake Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:08 PM
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14. Now THAT was a good commercial!
Good takeoff on that. :D
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Ardee Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:42 PM
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33. Ad copy a speciality
I invented the Burma Shave signage campaign after all...........not.
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devilgrrl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:04 PM
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8. Hey David!
:hi:
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:14 PM
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31. When are we gonna go out for drinks again?
Ask NSMA.
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:05 PM
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9. The people claiming it needs to move to the right need to produce the
numbers Kerry did. Whoever toldhim NOT TO BOTHER campaigning in the south should be fucking shot. As near as I can see Kerry gote more votes than any Dem candidate ever and got more of a percentage of votes than Clinton did either time. All the Clintonistas need to shut the fuck up and apologize for the deep divisions THEY have sewn in the party.
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desi826 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:45 PM
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28. That's not what's being spoken about
enough.
So you know that Moderate Repubs broke 55 to 45% FOR Kerry?
The man named "the most liberal man in the Senate" got more Moderate Repub votes that the Repub candidate. That's 45% more than the 10% of Dems that went for Bush.
Do the math, guys.
Everyday there is more evidence that Kerry *should* have won this election.
Des
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THUNDER HANDS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:14 PM
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39. hey NSMA, did you read Arianna Huffington's column?
She really paints a picture of how it seemed at every turn the Clinton folks were trying to screw Kerry. Even Clinton himself, who said to run as close to Bush as possible on Bush, blur the differences between them, and make the issue the economy.

Oh, and flip-flop by coming out supporting the gay marriage bans.

Who's side is Clinton on anyway?
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nothingshocksmeanymore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:45 PM
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40. Clinton is on Clinton's side
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ourbluenation Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:05 PM
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10. newbie here - I'm sooooooooo with you.
Screw the middle.

JTT
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David Zephyr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:23 PM
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23. Well, Welcome to the DU, Partner!
Question: Would those in our Party who want to champion more conservative views and move our Party to the right actually do more good for the country by joining the Republican Party and spending their energy moving the GOP to the Left?

Republican Lite? Not my brew.
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NoPasaran Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:06 PM
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11. Democrats acting like Democrats?
I dig it!
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choicevoice Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:07 PM
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12. I'm with you heart and soul
Why call yourself a Democrat if you don't want to believe in Democratic ideals?
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jjanpundt Donating Member (284 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:08 PM
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13. I'm with you!
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Bucky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:09 PM
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15. My name is Bucky Rea and I am a sell out Repuke-lite DLCer, and I...
...kick poodles! Not just any poodles: orphan poodles.




Yarr!!
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donkeyotay Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:09 PM
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16. Assuming that Kerry doesn't snatch this 2004 election at the last second
I will not support any party or candidate to the right of Dennis Kucinich in 2008. No more kissy, kissy make nice.
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paulk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:13 PM
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38. is that the Kucinich who was anti-abortion before his presidential run
or the new, improved pro abortion model?

Just curious what your definition of the right is....
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glitch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:10 PM
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17. Wait a minute - didn't you start the 'Bite Me' wing of the Democratic
Party, which I happily joined and have been a proud member these past few years? Especially since there were no dues or meetings to attend?
Or am I thinking of someone else?
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:10 PM
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18. I'm a proud member of the Democratic Wing of the DU
Every four years we're told we just need to sell out a little bit more to win the "moderates." I don't think bigotry is a moderate position.
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merh Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:12 PM
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19. I am with you David!
They cannot drag me to the right, the more to the right that they try to get me to go, the more left I will lean.

And for the record, I hate centralists!

What do our opponents mean when they apply to us the label "Liberal?"

If by "Liberal" they mean, as they want people to believe, someone who is soft in his policies abroad, who is against local government, and who is unconcerned with the taxpayer's dollar, then the record of this party and its members demonstrate that we are not that kind of "Liberal."

But if by a "Liberal" they mean someone who looks ahead and not behind, someone who welcomes new ideas without rigid reactions, someone who cares about the welfare of the people -- their health, their housing, their schools, their jobs, their civil rights, and their civil liberties -- someone who believes we can break through the stalemate and suspicions that grip us in our policies abroad, if that is what they mean by a "Liberal," then I'm proud to say I'm a 'Liberal.'

-John F. Kennedy September 14, 1960
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TankLV Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:13 PM
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20. Me.
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Skidmore Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:13 PM
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21. Me too.
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geek tragedy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:18 PM
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22. Exactly--neither right nor left. Rather--it is a question of finding our
voice and lifting it on high.
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DoveTurnedHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:24 PM
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24. I Don't Think We Need to Move to the Right
I do think we need to sell our message in a way that resonates with all people, including those who used to vote for us, but don't any more.

DTH
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Trahurn Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:34 PM
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25. You Won't Get Me Going Right
If fellow or so called democrats feel that we as a party need to go towards the right then I say to those people there a many red states to choose from and I'm sure they would love to have you. I am a democrat do I can stay away from the right. The right is crazy.
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Walt Starr Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:36 PM
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26. Desperate times require bold actions
Let's move to the Left!

:evilgrin:
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 05:44 PM
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27. i guess i would have to know what democratic wing
represents. being a lifetime moderate democrat, i dont know if i get to be a part or not. seeing how deomcratic wings implies nothing more than democrat. i dont know if it is a moderate dem, a far out left dem??????????

so not a clue
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PhuLoi Donating Member (748 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:00 PM
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29. Right is Wrong
Anyone wanting me to lean further to the right can bite my withered old ass.
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Eric J in MN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:03 PM
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30. I would like for the party to move left on economic issues, but
try to find a compromise with the "pro-life" voters.

There is little federal funding of abortion already, so I'd like a Democratic candidate to say he's against federal funding of abortion, and then we could make up the difference through charity.
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missouri dem Donating Member (298 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:15 PM
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32. As a Progressive Populist I am
with you all the way!
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:45 PM
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34. This Clarkie is with you
:-)
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blondeatlast Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:46 PM
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35. I'm a L-to-mod yellow dog, and I will leave if we veer to the right
any further.

If we don't use every ounce of fight we have left in Congress, I'll also leave.

I hope to hell I won't have to leave. My family have been proud Dems for now 4 generations.
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Clarkie1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 06:51 PM
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36. A vision for the Democratic wing of the Democratic Party
Looking ahead 100 years, the United States will be defined by our environment, both our physical environment and our legal, Constitutional environment. America needs to remain the most desirable country in the world, attracting talent and investment with the best physical and institutional environment in the world. But achieving our goals in these areas means we need to begin now. Environmentally, it means that we must do more to protect our natural resources, enabling us to extend their economic value indefinitely through wise natural resource extraction policies that protect the beauty and diversity of our American ecosystems - our seacoasts, mountains, wetlands, rain forests, alpine meadows, original timberlands and open prairies. We must balance carefully the short- term needs for commercial exploitation with longer-term respect for the natural gifts our country has received. We may also have to assist market-driven adjustments in urban and rural populations, as we did in the 19th Century with the Homestead Act.

Institutionally, our Constitution remains the wellspring of American freedom and prosperity. We must retain a pluralistic democracy, with institutional checks and balances that reflect the will of the majority while safeguarding the rights of the minority. We will seek to maximize the opportunities for private gain, consistent with concern for the public good. And the Clark administration will institute a culture of transparency and accountability, in which we set the world standard for good government. As new areas of concern arise - in the areas of intellectual property, bioethics, and other civil areas - we will assure continued access to the courts, as well as to the other branches of government, and a vibrant competitive media that informs our people and enables their effective participation in civic life. And even more importantly, we will assure in meeting the near term challenges of the day - whether they be terrorism or something else - that, we don't compromise the freedoms and rights which are the very essence of the America we are protecting.

If we are to remain competitive we will have to do more to develop our "human potential." To put it in a more familiar way, we should help every American to "be all he or she can be." For some this means only providing a framework of opportunities - for others it means more direct assistance in areas such as education, health care, and retirement security. And these are thirty year challenges - educating young people from preschool until they are at their most productive, helping adults transition from job to job and profession to profession during their adult lives; promoting physical vigor and good health through public health measures, improved diagnostics, preventive health, and continuing health care to extend longevity and productivity to our natural limits; and strengthening retirement security, simply because it is right; first for our society to assure that all its members who have contributed throughout their lifetimes are assured a minimal standard of living, and secondly to free the American worker and family to concentrate on the challenges of today. Such long-term challenges must be addressed right away, with a new urgency.

We have a solid foundation for meeting these challenges in many of the principles and programs already present today. They need not be enumerated here, except to argue for giving them the necessary priorities and resources. We can never ensure that every one has the same education, or health care, or retirement security, nor would we want to do so. But all Americans are better off when we ensure that each American will have fundamental educational skills and access to further educational development throughout their lives; that each American will have access to the diagnostic, preventive and acute health care and medicines needed for productive life, as well as some basic level of financial security in his or her retirement.

To do this we will have to get the resources and responsibilities right. In the first place, this means allocating responsibilities properly between public and private entities. Neither government nor "the market" is a universal tool - each must be used appropriately, whether the issues are in security, education, health or retirement. Then we must reexamine private versus public revenues and expenditures. We need to return to the aims of the 1990's when we sought to balance our federal budget and reduce the long- term public debt. Finally, it means properly allocating public responsibilities to regulate, outsource, or operate. This means retaining government regulation where necessary to meet public needs, and balancing the federal government's strengths of standardization and progressive financing with greater insights into the particular needs and challenges that State and local authorities bring.

As we work on education, health care, and retirement security we must also improve the business climate in the United States. This is not simply a matter of reducing interest rates and stimulating demand. Every year, this economy must create more than a million new jobs, just to maintain the same levels of employment, and to reduce unemployment to the levels achieved in the Clinton Administration, we must do much more immediately. This is in part a matter of smoothing the business cycle, with traditional monetary and fiscal tools, but as we improve communications and empower more international trade and finance, firms will naturally shift production and services to areas where the costs are lower. In the near term we should aim to create in America the best business environment in the world - using a variety of positive incentives to keep American jobs and businesses here, attract business from abroad, and to encourage the creation of new jobs, principally through the efforts of small business. These are not new concerns, but they must be addressed and resourced with a new urgency in facing the increasing challenges of technology and free trade. And labor must assist, promoting the attitudes, skills, education and labor mobility to enable long overdue hikes in the minimum wage in this country.

http://www.clark04.com/vision/
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madfloridian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 07:12 PM
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37. I am with you.
:toast:
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KnowerOfLogic Donating Member (841 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:22 PM
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41. Absolutely. It is time that the Democratic party grew a back-
bone. I'm afraid that the kerry windsurfing commercial was pretty much right on. Now is not the time for more "triangulation" or other such political positioning.
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senseandsensibility Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:33 PM
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42. I am so with you!!
Go left, baby, go left!!:dem:
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KoKo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-12-04 08:41 PM
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43. Yessssssss! With you! ....WE Have the POWER....(Dr. Dean)
and we will use our power..
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