I have just witnessed a murder on my TV screen

Check this link out, this is serious:
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/video1043.htm

What do you expect, take a platoon of bloodthirsty killers in green and set them loose on a city. Anyone study TET offensive?
For the marines this is Disneyland with live ammo and plenty of natives.

For some reason I don't think the dolls in Its a Small World are shooting RPG's at you.

but thank you.

and live a normal productive life. Wait until the truth comes out that this was an illegal invasion... (wait until the troops realize this) and then have to live the rest of their lives with that bouncing around in their heads.

As far as the text on the site goes... not signing on to the ICC was a prophetic decision... someone knew what we would be doing to those people over there YEEEEEERZ ago.

a generation or two.

The fact remains: we shouldn't be there in the first place. The bush administration has put the military in a no win situation and it's disgusting.

so i guess the innocent iraqi was playing in the street when the big bad soldiers came and shot him. shocking.

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I did.

Shocking! Wait, no it isn't considering how you are talking.

So, when are you signing up and for what branch of service? The Army needs some warm bodies--er, I mean soldiers.

If you think you are tough enough....go for it.

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You freakin' chickenshit.

walk the talk, dammit!

the military is seriously stretched and a draft is imminent. People like you deserve it.

b'bye...

RL

Like, for example, in TEXAS?

does your mom change your sheets EVERY night?

when you put your head in the sand like all the other repukes that means?

some people who live in the sand. Wouldn't you just love that? The men and women over there are stretched VERY thin and could use all the help they can get.

Go to your local recruiting office so you can go kill things. What a great American attitude. :crazy:

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Serious RW tendencies give you guys away every time.

...and I hope that one day a war crimes tribunal puts GWB* on trial for his willful disregard for human life.

He had it all lined up with the election so that Kerry would be less apt to put up a fight about a close vote. Plus the fact that the insurgents knew about it - so widely publicized - most of them just scattered elsewhere. it'll be such a major vistory in the media, though, when they clear the city out. ugh.

There isn't always the luxury of taking prisoners.

:puke:

This is exactly the kind of stuff Kerry testified in Congress about. This is exactly the kind of stuff Kerry said men **told** him they did in Viet Nam.

You knew that, you fat fucking bigot. You knew that and you lied.

You fucking tool!

I dunno. Never been in the service myself. Watched Saving Private Ryan on ABC last night. Looks kinda like the stuff that happened in WWII. Close quarter combat, people didn't stop and hold their fire just because they nicked an enemy, they finished people off and stuff like that.

It's not a happy film clip, to be sure.

Read the Geneva Convention treaty.

Oh, right...

That's "quaint"...

i dunno how the rules work. if the guy in alley was still trying to shoot at our guys, can't they finish him off?

course he might not have been trying to fight - can't tell from the film clip.

Only if he is trying to surrender are you required to hold fire. Otherwise, you kill the enemy. If you come on one while he is asleep, you can make sure he never wakes up. You don't need to give any kind of warning. You don't have to try to take him prisoner, unless he actively attempts surrender.

Otherwise, you kill the enemy, even if he is already wounded.

I am a combat veteran. Vietnam.

Combat is not like a civilian police incident. With civilian police the emphasis is to capture, and the suspect is killed only as a last resort. With police, if there is a killed suspect there is automatically an internal affairs investigation.

In combat - You kill the enemy.

Of course, if you consider all combat killing as murder then you can say that you saw a murder. If you don't take that view, (I don't.) then; No, you did NOT witness a murder. It was not a war crime. You are not required to attempt to capture a wounded enemy. You can still shoot him. The exception is if he is trying to surrender. In the film clip there is nothing to indicate that the sniper was attempting to surrender, therefore he was killed. That's war.

you explained perfectly. i didn't see any problem with what he did. not a happy incident. but just one of our good guys doing his job.

methinks

Article 14. Subject to the provisions of Article 12, the wounded and sick of a belligerent who fall into enemy hands shall be prisoners of war, and the provisions of international law concerning prisoners of war shall apply to them.

Article 12. Members of the armed forces and other persons mentioned in the following Article, who are wounded or sick, shall be respected and protected in all circumstances.
They shall be treated humanely and cared for by the Party to the conflict in whose power they may be, without any adverse distinction founded on sex, race, nationality, religion, political opinions, or any other similar criteria. Any attempts upon their lives, or violence to their persons, shall be strictly prohibited; in particular, they shall not be murdered or exterminated, subjected to torture or to biological experiments; they shall not willfully be left without medical assistance and care, nor shall conditions exposing them to contagion or infection be created.

Article 15. At all times, and particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled.

Book-learning goes out the window in wartime.. It always has.

I do not blame the soldiers. They are in an unbelievable situation. Most are my age are younger. They have seen their friends killed by these same insurgents and may be acting out of anger.

However, it bothers me that this administration is not even TRYING to keep the rules of the convention.

They don't WANT anyone watching what they're doing... If no one "sees" it or dares to report it..it didn't happen.

those rules for how to treat enemy wounded are for when the shooting stops, when you round em up and march em into detention, when they fall into your custody.

they don't mean that as soon as you wing an enemy soldier you have to cease fire.

any to round up after the shooting finished. Did they have to shoot him? Probably. Did they have to "finish him"? Probably not.

That's why you only fight as a last resort. That scene will be repeated thousands of times before we're out of there.

After that I saw Sirhan Sirhan shoot Robert Kennedy and years later I saw Anwar Sadat being assassinated on CNN.

I guess I watch too much television.

There is no obligation to give the enemy quarter unless they specifically request it (wave a white flag, put thier hands up etc.) or if they are incompasitated AND the area has been secured. If the Marines had advanced, taken the alley and then shot the guy at close range it would be a different story.

Shooting the guy like they did is horrible, but that is war. That kind of violence is what defines war. If you want to shed a tear though shed it for the thousands of Iraqi childeren who have been cought in the crossfire and killed by those on both sides of the war. As far as I'm concerned, that insurgent got what he had coming, and there was nothing wrong with the manner in which he was killed.

The area was not secure.

War is indeed the most horrible thing.

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before overstaying their welcome by far. They use up precious time and space if they're not stopped. (Referring to trolls, not Iraqis, by the way!)

You are covered by the Geneva Convention, ONLY if you are part of the UNIFORMED MILITARY OF A NATION STATE and are acting as part of that military and in uniform. If you are in civilian clothes and you are attacking uniformed military, you are NOT covered. You have no rights and can be summarily executed if caught.

Even if that sniper had been covered, the convention does NOT require our military to risk their lives to save an enemy soldier. If active combat is still going on, you can kill, on sight, without warning, any enemy you see, not matter what his state of health. The key is if ACTIVE COMBAT is occuring. From the video, it is obvious that there was active combat in the immediate area.