Working on the Sabbath is an abomination just like

Homosexuality according to the bible. Do you know any Christian Conservatives who work on Sunday? The bible says those who work on the sabbath should be stoned to death. Please quiz your conservative acquaintances about their handling of this issue. Obviously these hating bastards don't want to push the envelope too far. Have they pushed it too far? Is it time to push back?

was 300 years ago.

http://www.landoverbaptist.org/

It's a parody site, but it gets into some of the more ... well, "extreme" rules of the OT, but in a humorous way.

Which is not to belittle your point.

Interesting how so many other taboos are put on a higher level than one of the ten commandments. Might have something to do with money.

Very interesting and well put together site. I am pushing the worthless trash in South Mississippi about their religious beliefs. Think I'll stroll this sunday and see who's working. These ignorant bastards are pushing me to the extreme.

FYI - its 61 degrees in south mississippi at 8:35 your time. Thats about the same in your neck of the woods, huh??

I'm on the MS coast... It's quite chilly here... Had to turn on my heater tonight for the first time this year!

We are southeast of Picayune about 40 miles from Gulfport. Strongly resisting turning the heat on tonight. I think we'll buck up.

with the windows open tonite. I will never forget the first time I went to Picyuane. About 15 years ago I had to go the the Picyuane Police Department to pick up some statements regarding a shooting. When I drove into the city, the official city limits sign read "Jesus is Lord over Picyuane". That freaked me out and made me nervous as hell. I think the ACLU petitioned to have it removed, but I wouldn't be surprised it they put it back up.

we discovered that at DU!

His is on Saturday because he is a Seventh Day Adventist, which is sort of fundy, but closer to Judaism. This guy has actually turned down jobs which pay better and have better benefits because of the threat of possibly working some Saturdays. He's a good man, but to turn down opportunities like he's had seems a bit strange to me. He does have a family to support, after all.

There is no "thou shalt not have sex with thine own sex" anywhere in th Bible, let alone in one of the ten commandments!

it speaks against having sex with your own sex....

Only metaphorically. It never comes right out and says it in Leviticus. And even if we accept the metaphor as meaning sex (lying with a man as you'd lie with a woman), it's still not one of the big ten and is still relegated to the shellfish and mixed fiber clothing sorts of abominations before the Lord.

I wear blended fiber clothing and eat shrimp and lobster so I'm twice the abomination as compared to a homosexual who is allergic to shellfish and only wears cotton or silk.

man cannot sleep with another man, man cannot sleep with an animal, etc....plus, the 10 commandments are just an introduction to all other laws in the bible....all of the commandments (i think there are 613) have equal weight for the most part.

bolster their stance against gays do not condemn homosexual relationships, they condemn homosexual rape and temple prostitution.


Understanding the Hebrew Scriptures
There are many places in the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament) that have been traditionally interpreted as condemning homosexuality. It is important that we go past modern day translations. like the King James Version, and determine what the original authors wrote. In their eagerness to condemn gays and lesbians, the translators and interpreters of the Bible often introduced an anti-homosexual slant. A careful analysis of the original texts reveals a different story: Genesis 19 describes the destruction of Sodom, which has been attributed to the homosexuality of its citizens; the men may have wanted to rape the (male) angels. Actually, the text at this point is ambiguous; the original Hebrew word sometimes referred to sexual activity although it usually meant "to know" in a literal sense. But a careful reading of Genesis and Ezekiel reveals that inhospitality, pride, idol worship, and lack of consideration for the poor were their prime sins. If homosexuality was involved, it was obviously not consensual sexual activity; it was rape. So we can safely conclude that Sodom was destroyed because of the sins of its citizens which included their habit of raping visitors. Judges 19 seems to be a duplicate of the Genesis story.
Leviticus 18:22 & 20:13 appears to condemn male homosexual behavior, but in fact only refers to temple prostitution. Even if it did refer to lesbian and gay relationships, it would not be applicable to Christians today, any more than are the other 613 laws which make up the Jewish Holiness Code. It is less than genuine for a Christian teleminister or theologian to imply that these verses are still valid for the beliefs and conduct of Christians, while stating that the remaining laws of the Holiness Code are not applicable.
Deuteronomy 23:17, I Kings 14:24 and 15:12 are mistranslated in some versions of the Bible as referring to homosexual behavior. "Temple prostitute" would be an accurate translation.
Ruth 1:16 and 2:10-11 describe a deeply intimate relationship between Ruth and Naomi which may or may not have had a sexual component.
1 Samuel 18:1-4 and 20:41-42 and 2 Samuel 1:25-26 describe a deeply intimate relationship between David and Jonathan which may or may not have had a sexual component.

We conclude that the Hebrew Scriptures condemn homosexual rape and temple prostitution, but do not disapprove of gay and lesbian relationships. One can be confident that centuries of fire and brimstone sermons on homosexuality based on verses from the Old Testament are misinterpretations of the Bible.


http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_chri.htm

has Bush picked any fruit/berries, drove in a car, turned on a light on Sunday? If he did, it's punishiable by death! Wheee!

-_- Glad I'm not Orthodox anymore...

Constitutional Ammendment banning doing any kind of business on Sunday.

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just the obvious. they punch in do their job description get paid. sounds like work

is on SATURDAY. JESUS (a practicing JEW) celebrated the Sabboth on Saturday, not Sunday. It was the ROMAN Church (Catholic) who switched it to Sundays. lol These Funides know NOTHING.

"I'm gonna get me religion
Gonna join the Baptist church
Gonna be a Baptist preacher
So I don't have to work"
Son House 1929

for being stoned to death.

And you can and should sell your daughters into slavery, if your economic demands become great.

I always tell Christian Victims (that's what I call them because they like to think they are oppressed victims) that they would NOT like to live in a strict, literalist Christian theocracy.

It would be hell on earth for them.

I suggest the first step is confronting those good christians with the bible. God, it would kill them. Are any christians divorced? Have any remarried? Do any work on Sunday? They are all going straight to hell, but they won't have to worry about homosexual couples living next store.

Know what they do? They roll their eyes and explain "oh that's Old Testament stuff." I explain to them that their precious SUPPOSED homosexuality line is ALSO in the Old Testament, so what?

The conversation usually ends or the topic gets changed quickly and dramatically (as in "HEY! Has anyone seen that show "Desperate Housewives?").

Yeah.

I'm a battlescarred grumpy old curmudgeon. I'm shoving the bible up the ass of my neighbors and those in reach. I just sent a LTTE on this subject (abomination). I'm a fucking loose cannon and I'm gaining steam. I would appreciate direction but I know that christian conservatives best stay outta my way. I had the opportunity to do some bitch slapping today in Louisiana. I am so angry at these bastards. I served 24 years and I didn't do so to allow religious fanatics to own my country. Keep on shining brightly Moonbeam. I got their old testament hanging right here.

There are some verses by St. Paul in the New Testament they bring up to use against homosexual relationships, so hitting them on Leviticus won't work. The real way to get them thinking is to ask, "What would Jesus do?" It's a movement that's been going for awhile (hence all the WWJD jewelry, etc.), and everyone would know what you mean. If they hedge at all, ask if Jesus really would get all judgemental and nasty (he only did that with judgemental people in power). That, honestly, is the only argument I've had work. It also works on the abortion issue.

The stupidity of these people is legion!

and such duplicity makes me despise them just a little bit more

married my mother years after he and his first wife got divorced and the Catholic church ex-communicated both he and my Mom. My parents still had me baptiszed why I will never know and the church allowed it, but the nuns at school had no promblem reminding me I was illegitimate in their eyes. Then the shrinks wonder why I have invalidation issues? My whole life is invalid in Christian eyes.

Yeah Right! The fundy nut-family that I married into observes the 7th day (as the bible dictates) AKA SATURDAY.

for a day of rest. Throughout the ancient world at that time, people worked everyday. There were holidays that they didn't have to work but never a day to rest. So of the many of the rules that are quaint to us did have a purpose at one time. It doesn't mean we have to honor them forever and ever.

no work, no buying or selling just church.

Jesus had many opportunities to point out that the law was made for man, not man for the law.

When his disciples were hungry and grabbed some grain, the Pat Robertsons of his day were quick to claim they were sinning. Jesus reminded them that many years ago their beloved King David (a guy who makes Clinton look like a celibate) ate the consecrated bread in the temple when he was hungry, and that was fine with God even though it was against the rules. Why?

I DESIRE MERCY, NOT SACRIFICE!!!!!!!!!!

God cared more about David's human needs than about the rules. Law was made for man.

When he healed another man and told him to take up his mat, the Pharisees had a fit. Unlawful to carry anything on the Sabbath!

Jesus also gave them hell for claiming to honor God, yet using the law to give big sums to the church and telling their aging parents "sorry, can't help you. Gotta give it all to the church."

They may have followed a rule here or there, but neglected to heed the commandment "Honor your father and Mother." ( Sound like any miserly Fundies you know?)

The Sabbath was intended as a day of rest for man. One day a week, but the day can be any day. Why not be legalistic and claim one day or the other and make everyone quit working? Even the Seventh Day Adventists, who run hospitals, know this legalistic crap is WRONG and UNGODLY. Why? Mercy, not sacrifice.

If firefighters, hospital workers, cops, doctors, etc have to take every Sunday off, there would be no mercy in the homes that would burn, the ventilator dependent patients who would die, the rape victim left to fend for herself, the car accident victims who die for lack of ambulance.

Jesus laughed at the freaks who loved the rules of man rather than the mercy of God. Who knew man would spend 2000 years remaining legalistic bean counters?

that lists all the things that are 'biblically equivalent' to homosexuality in terms of punishment.

aka Dominionists who want to remake the U.S. into a militant "Christian" theocracy based on Old Testament law, complete with stonings for adulterers, blasphemers, fornicators, etc.

thou shalt not kill is one of the commandments too and we all know how eaisly they write that one off.

Funny, I didn't know Moses added an elastic clause?

shrimp either.
I don't understand why "Christians" cite JUDAIC law (even when they conveniently pick-and-choose)