mass resignations at CIA: where there's smoke, there's fire

Goss, Murray, Kappes and Sulick met to discuss the matter. After Goss left, Sulick "got in Murray's space," according to one of his associates whose account was corroborated by another. Murray then demanded that Kappes fire Sulick. Kappes refused, and told Goss that he would resign. Goss and other White House officials appealed to Kappes to delay his decision until Monday.

<http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A46580-2004Nov12.html>

Imagine just how bad it really must be. What has been revealed about the infighting thus far is only about the new CIA leadership and its bristling style. But think of the underlying policy disputes -- it must be as bad as it's ever been at the agency.

Hurray for Kappes. Stick to your guns and quit. Remember that Elliot Richardson and William Ruckelshaus both resigned rather than fire Archibald Cox.

Let's not forget that there are honorable people in the Intelligence Community. I wish there was some way we could help them.

Or at least tells what has been going on! I'm afraid they are bailing because Bush plans to set the CIA loose on Americans!

is mandatory at these wee hours. :hi:

Eyes fingers and brain not working together yet! I left DU feeling REALLY bad yesterday evening after I read about CBS not handing over the exit polling data! I slept on it and now it makes sense why they didn't! There can only be two reasons and you nailed one in your thread Carl! The other is that, that data is evidence needed to help sort out the vote fraud thing in court!

Look at the big time reporters who are on the Council On Foreign Relations also! We the people have been had from every direction you look!

out and it's not even in block letters:

"You could get a journalist cheaper than a good call girl, for a couple hundred dollars a month."

So he could be disappeared?

Let's see if the Democrats have the balls to start an investigation into the long, long, list of crimes perpetrated by our homegrown band of bumbling murderers.

... Meanwhile, members of Congress and people around the executive branch are wondering what President Bush is going to do to punish the mutineers. A president simply cannot allow a department or agency to go into campaign season opposition and then pay no price for it. If that happens, employees of every agency will feel free to go off and start their own little media campaigns whenever their hearts desire.

(Meanwhile, nixonwasbetterthanW would add, people around American are wondering what President Bush is going to do to punish the traitors UNDER HIS OWN ROOF who outed Valerie Plame ... )

<http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/13/opinion/13brooks.html?oref=login>

Brooks piece must have been spoonfed from the folks who outed Plame via Novak.

Brooks's column reveals more by what it doesn't say than by what it does. Has he ever considered the possibility that perhaps there's a reason the CIA rank-and-file are so distraught about this administration? That maybe they're more than a little unnerved that senior White House officials can out a covert operative with impunity, or at least with the knowledge that the president will do the absolute minimum, and only after pressure from his CIA chief, to investigate the traitorous leak?

When all those snaekin', cretinous, miscreants are going to get theirs.

I guess he forgot that poppy is the CIA, that OSP usurped all the access, that idealogues trumped analysts, etc, etc, etc

He just doesn't want it seen to be coming from the WH, but, they already intended to do massive firings of all those in the CIA who dared to speak the truth and warn the American people of TeamBush's dangerous incompetency and misuse of power.

Talk about literal flies on the wall. If they could tell us exactly what's going on . . . .

people leaving tell all about the CIA subverting democracy. Operation Mockingbird, etc.

A topic on this.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x2685606

Saturday, 13 November , 2004, 19:18

Washington: The US Central Intelligence Agency is in turmoil, with several senior officers threatening to leave, due to internal conflict under new director Porter Goss, a report said Saturday.
Several senior CIA officials have clashed with Goss's chief of staff Patrick Murray, and criticized Goss for giving him too much authority over day-to-day operations, according to The Washington Post.

"It's the worst roiling I've ever heard of," one former senior official familiar with the events told the Post. "There's confusion throughout the ranks and an extraordinary loss of morale and incentive."

On Friday, the official who oversees foreign operations tendered his resignation after a confrontation with Murray, but agreed to reconsider until Monday, according to the Post.



"Several other senior clandestine service officers are threatening to leave," the Post said, citing current and former agency officials.

A wave of resignations could hurt the CIA as it struggles to combat al-Qaeda and track insurgents in Iraq, amid Congressional moves to reorganize the agency, which has come under fire for intelligence failures in Iraq and in the September 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.

http://sify.com/news/fullstory.php?id=13609836

Now, moves made by Goss and his aides are believed to be riling current personnel. The Washington Post reported in Saturday editions that Deputy Director of Operations Stephen Kappes turned in his resignation Friday following a tense meeting at CIA headquarters in suburban Virginia.

Goss and White House officials asked Kappes to reconsider his decision over the weekend, the newspaper said. Other officials are also considering leaving.

An intelligence official reached late Friday declined to comment.

http://www.capitolhillblue.com/artman/publish/article_5699.shtml

do that pissed em' off so bad?

The CIA is in apparent crisis.

and called a joint news conference that could not have been ignored..

They would have gotten attention.. Now, they are just some more "disgruntled ex-employees"..:(

Bush's puppy press corps kept their leaks in check throughout the campaign. The leaks just weren't enough.

The massive press conference probably would have been a great leap forward in getting the public to see how dangerous the Bush administration is to our national security.

It's about time for another Richard Clarke to emerge...

straws!

fill the posts w/ "men of god" who will have no problems destroying innocent American lives, especially those of us who don't tow the line-God help us

I hardly think this is the intelligence reorganization the 911 Commission had in mind. Maybe this term won't be as easy as predicted, despite the majority in House, Senate & Supreme Court.

Goss, Cheney, "Anonymous" Mike, Bin Laden
given religious authority to use nukes.
Makes me wonder what's coming our way.
I have read that Cheney lives in perpetual, almost
obsessive fear of a nuclear attack here at home.
Wonder if that could have anything to do with
his heart acting up, so many spooks jumping the
CIA, (I wouldn't want to be on the clock as a CIA
employee if I knew something was up, again.)
Maybe they know something we don't?

I think we are will see the whole house
of cards come tumbling down sooner than later
at this point. Another attack, especially a nuclear
one, would certainly reveal the fact that we are
LOSING the "war on terror" and that they are incapable
of protecting us from the blowback of the global
hubris they have unleashed against us.
What a fucking disaster point George Bush has brought
this country to. Could you have imagined all of this
prior to December 2000?
We are NOT safer, we are fish in a barrel.
Hope all the Bush supporters are happy now.
BHN