Bold prediction: Bush vs the religious right

Think that this is fanciful wishful bullshit??? Think again.

What happened yesterday???

Bush and Blair both declared that Palestine ought to have their own state or some kind of self-determination by 2009. Empty gesture or not, this was one huge "FUCK-YOU" to the extreme branch of the religious right.

Remember what Pat Robertson said a few weeks before the election. If Bush catered too much to the Palestinians and did not open doors for Israel to take over all of the occupied territories, he would instigate a movement to split from the GOP. Can't have anyone get in the way of Israel having all that land in order to get closer to Rapture and Armegeddon. I can't see the raptureheads being thrilled by Bush's declaration about Palestine.

I see it also a possibility that Bush will not fulfill all of his "promises" to the far right fundamentalists. That likely will cause serious divisions between Bush and those fundies. If Mullah/Grand Inquisitor James Dobson (*) feels shafted by Bush, he definitely will stir a powerful movement to split from the GOP and go against them.

(*) pays royalty to Josh Marshall for his fitting description of Dr. Dobson

That statement was made about 2 or 3 days before the election. So, what's really left for the fundies?

The Kingdom Now/Dominionists will not stand for this betrayal by Bush. Bush will now get a taste of what it is like to have the Inquisition's wrath pointed at him. I told my husband the other day that since Bush is a lame duck, he will no longer have to pander to the religious right. Anyone who knows anything about fundamentalist Christian beliefs has had doubts that Bush was really devout. I mean, number 1 - he's a Methodist, 2 - he never goes to church (except for photo ops), and 3 - his "testimony" changes with each retelling. He believes he got his mandate. In his own universe this means that he can do whatever he wants. Problem is, these guys will crucify him if he turns on them. Should be very interesting to watch.

Anyway, I'm getting cognitive dissonance here ;) Should I root for Bush or the fundies? In all seriousness, I hope they erode each other. Instinctively, I fear the theocrats more. Intellectually, I realize that the neocon corporates are just as dangerous, if not more.

I'm thinking there's nothing we can do about it anyway. At least it might produce some very amusing moments.
"There are two tragedies in life. One is to lose one's heart's desire, the other is to gain it."

Welcome to DU!! :toast:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2681065&mesg_id=2685645

As for who to root for, I am pulling for them to destroy each other - sort of like when Florida plays Auburn in football - I root for the injuries :evilgrin:

The show is afoot!

Money from faith based initiatives. And a cause to continue to rally around. After all, they must stop gay marriage and the palestinians and everyone else who is different from them. And these folks will view their new found financial prosperity from faith based initatives as an indication that God is on their side. It's all about the money.

Suggestion: For fun, in the following piece replace National Socialism with Neoconservative and Hitler with Bush.

Reducing the program of petty-bourgeois illusions to a naked bureaucratic masquerade, National Socialism raises itself over the nation as the worst form of imperialism. Absolutely vain are hopes that Hitler's government will fail today or tomorrow, a victim of its internal inconsistency. The Nazis required the program in order to assume power; but power serves Hitler not at all for the purpose of fulfilling the program. His tasks are assigned him by monopoly capital. The compulsory concentration of all forces and resources of the people in the interests of imperialism -- the true historic mission of the fascist dictatorship -- means preparation for war; and this task, in its turn, brooks no internal resistance and leads to a further mechanical concentration of power. Fascism cannot be reformed or retired from service. It can only be overthrown. The political orbit of the regime leans upon the alternative, war or revolution.

Leon Trotsky ("What is National Socialism?", June 10, 1933)


The problem with all this hope in a Right-Wing split is that the cultural adherents to Bush, in this case the Religious Right have no-one else to back. It will simply be a fracus, planned or otherwise, resulting in no change, but giving people the appearance of "diversity" in the flock.

Now the CIA fracture is interesting. In the above quote Trotsky was referring to Germany as it was, a state with near unanimity of sentiment and purpose marching in lockstep. The CIA of today is increasingly exposed to public scrutiny by the Internet and other public communication vehicles and the fracture has resulted from a resurgence of public opposition that has seeped into the CIA. It seems to be similar to the anti-war movement seeping into the military during Vietnam until an anti-war movement started in the ranks.
The CIA is in a tough bind trying to do jobs that may not only are morally repugnant but also a threat to ones career. There are laws in the US against alot of what the CIA does and, at some future date, those laws may be enforced if the country ever gets back on a sane path.

It's called the Constitution Party. Now the more pragmatic Fundies will realize that there's no way in hell the Constitution Party is ever going to win a major election. However, pragmatism requires rationallity, which seems to be a mutually exclusive trait to Fundamentalism. James Dobson has recently stated he doesn't have much faith in the Bush adminitration, and will not continue to back him (or the republicans) if they betrays the religious right. Look at the brooding confict over Gonzales.

their fanatical "religious" agenda:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/1277647/posts

To: snarks_when_bored
Wow, A Crevo thread that doesn't have 1000s of replys.

But to the question "How to Deal with Intelligent Design Creationism"

The best way is to suck them into Newsgroups and hit them with hard facts, Not that they will ever believe them but instead they will run out a spend hours upon hours quote mining and searching creationoid websites and posting nonsense. This is effective because the more time creationoids are spending doing the above, the less time they are out there in the real world scaring rational people away from the Republican party.

Sure they might get an occasional isolated foothold in places sometimes, But even if they win they lose because 1)They are always overturned (even by the most conservative of judges) and 2)They turn more people off to religion

2 posted on 11/12/2004 12:21:51 AM PST by qam1 (McGreevy likes his butts his way, I like mine my way - so NO SMOKING BANS in New Jersey)
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I have the feeling that the louder those "religious" extremist ask for payback for giving a mandate to Georgie, the more moderate Republicans will turn away.

I smirk every time a guy like Jerry Falwell or Bob Jones III open their mouth on National TV. They show everybody that they want to turn our Democracy into a Theocracy and that they want us to move back into the Dark Ages. Moderate Republicans will turn away from the Republican Party because of that.