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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:37 PM
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Poll question: If we had real social security and socialized medicine
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 01:38 PM by tk2kewl
and it could be done with a flat-tax, would you support a flat-tax?
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:00 PM
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1. No because taxes should be progressive
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 02:01 PM by BlueEyedSon
How about if it could be done by ONLY taxing passive income, not labor?
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fugue Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:03 PM
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2. Yes, I agree
Labor should be the one thing not taxed: if you've taken economics, you know that laborers are never paid what their labor is actually worth. Hence, that exploitation factor is their contribution to society. It's those who profit off of that who should pay the tax.
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:04 PM
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3. i posted this because...
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 02:05 PM by tk2kewl
i was listening to a working class freeper (or a planted freeper?) on cspan saying that he doesnt want a progressive tax because it is imoral to take from the rich and give to the poor.
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:07 PM
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5. What's immoral is giving to the rich (as in * tax reform)
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BlueEyedSon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:08 PM
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6. But its ok for the rich to fleece the poor? SURE.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:12 PM
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7. " it is imoral to take from the rich and give to the poor."???
In what moral system on the planet?
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tk2kewl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:24 PM
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10. this is really what the born-agains think
do a bit of reading on the stern-father mindset. the poor are poor becuase they are lazy or dont try hard enough. the rich are blessed by god, etc
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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:06 PM
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4. I'm with you. Flat taxes hurt the working poor, benefit the wealthy.
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Robert Oak Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:16 PM
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8. I don't know
I'd have to see an analysis as in a 100 page plus analysis.

to me, the ultimate society would be one that is socialist
yet kept the capitalist caveats that advance technology, lifestyle
and so forth, which are huge financial rewards to the people who
innovate and take the risks.

To me, one of the big problems with capitalism is profits often
ride on the backs of activities that hurt the environment, workers and a general "low road" direction that almost always seems to involve
domination, repression and exploitation of something.

I'd like to see some sort of system set up that is socialist, rewards
in big ways monetarily to capitalist efforts that help the environment, help the world as well as make big dough for whoever took the risk
and initiated it.

Finland is very socialist but they also take away monetary incentives
by taxing the hell out of anyone at the top as well as corporate taxes.

Still, they have managed to be very competitive globally with such a system.

I'd go for examining those systems and see what needs improvement to accomplish the above.

I'd also like to make socialism not a dirty word in the United States.

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Chef Donating Member (453 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:19 PM
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9. Poll
This reads like a CNN poll question. The same folks that would bring you a flat tax would be unlikely to even consider the other two. What would lead one to come up with such an idea?
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