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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:41 PM
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Who will replace Dick Cheney next month
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 01:51 PM by private_ryan
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6477016/
he's in the hospital already and I think he'll retire for health reasons so the GOP candidate for 2008 is appointed as VP.

Who will that be?
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NMDemDist2 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:42 PM
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1. pray it's not McCain n/t
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independentpiney Donating Member (966 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:54 PM
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16. agreed- anybody but McCain
in spite of his pathetic kowtowing in to bushco there are still way too many who still see him as the independent maverick
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:56 PM
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30. McCain is independent, but not moderate.
All his views, IIRC are conservative.

--IMM
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:06 PM
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32. After four years of Bush, McCain-level conservatism would be OK
Bush is a worst-of-both-worlds "president": he combines the free-spending ways of the stereotypical liberal with the extreme social conservatism that might be found in a John Birch Society member and stirs in a bloodthirstiness not seen since Lavrenty P. Beriya (http://www.cold-war.info/people/beriya-lavrentiy-pavlovich.html) walked the earth.

McCain, on the other hand, is more of a pure conservative. I don't think he would have launched a war against Iraq. I think he would have had F-16s in the air to shoot down the four 9/11 planes, assuming the terrorists hadn't all been rounded up before they got to the planes. And we would have gone into 2005 with a small job gain over Clinton, not a massive loss.
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 11:52 PM
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38. McCain has credibility and integrity. Acknowledged.
--IMM
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regnaD kciN Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:35 AM
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44. He has neither, IMHO.
If he had any integrity, he wouldn't have shilled for a rich AWOL frat boy who denigrated his patriotism and hinted he had a black bastard child -- especially to help trash a fellow war hero.

There's a point beyond which one cannot go and still retain a shred of personal honor. McCain is so far beyond that point, he can't even see it in the rearview mirror.

:grr:
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immoderate Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 11:48 AM
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46. I guess I acknowledge that too.
I'm kind of caught here in a relativistic bind. I guess I could have said, "Compared to Bush..." in my statement which would give it some validity.

--IMM
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against all enemies Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:43 PM
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2. Sen. Bill Frist
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meow2u3 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:47 PM
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25. If Shrub picks Cat Killer
then we'll have a Dem pickup in the Senate. Remember, TN has a Dem governor.
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pdx_prog Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:44 PM
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3. Maybe Jeb will become VP?
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JohnnyRingo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:48 PM
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11. ...The royal family, King George and Prince Jeb
Their Thanksgiving dinner coversation this year will reveal the next victim of "freedom".
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Davis_X_Machina Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:44 PM
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4. Bush will also resign for health reasons...
...he looks like hell, postponed his physical, and has whatever apparatus we saw at the debates hooked up 24/7.

The Congress will be picking the next president....mark my words.
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katmondoo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:47 PM
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9. We can only hope
There is no other way to get rid of him
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:44 PM
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5. Source?
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MO_Dem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:45 PM
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6. Jerry Falwell would love
to have the job!
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PartyPooper Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:46 PM
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7. Giuliani
He's been whoring for the job since 9/11.
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LosinIt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:46 PM
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8. Cheney is in the Hospital?? Hadn't heard due to our news blackout
in my house. This is my only news source anymore. So what is supposedly wrong with the old fucker this time??? Hope it's terminal. Can I get arrested for that?? It isn't a threat, only a wish.
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:47 PM
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10. wouldn't his successor be senate majority leader Bill Frist?
Isn't that the way it's structured
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Mojambo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:49 PM
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12. Frist wants the 2008 nom
He would be the less messy pick to replace in any event.

I bet he'll be the guy.
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mark414 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:54 PM
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15. no
president, vice president, then speaker of the house

in this case, HASTERT

ugh
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:54 PM
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18. No
The president picks the replacement. Nixon picked Ford in 1973 and then Ford picked Rocky in 1974.

The constitution was changed following President Kennedy's death that if the VP office is vacant the President replaces the VP.

Turman did not have a VP after FDR's death nor did LBJ when JFK was killed.
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cali Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:51 PM
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13. Condi? Bill Owen? Frist?
Pick your poison time.
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newscaster Donating Member (586 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:51 PM
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14. It could be Dennis Hastert
Speaker of the House. He is next in line after Cheney.
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ronnykmarshall Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:55 PM
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19. See message 18
If Dick steps down or dies W would pick a new VP.
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:56 PM
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20. Nope
Bush nominates one and if both houses approve it, he's the new VP.
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oldlady Donating Member (513 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 01:54 PM
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17. Zel Miller -- to help unify the country! n/t
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Contrary1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:02 PM
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21. Let's bring
George H.W back!!! Makes the monarchy complete in a sick sort of way. Then we can watch Babs and Pickles try to remain civil to
one another in public.

Hey, at least it would be something to laugh about for the
next four years.
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Lefty48197 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:22 PM
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22. Ted Olsen, in preparation for his 2008 Presidential run.
.
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0rganism Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 06:00 PM
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31. Yep, unless he's on W's short list for SCOTUS nominees
Edited on Sat Nov-13-04 06:00 PM by 0rganism
and we know any list bush has has gotta be pretty short.
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Cheswick2.0 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:24 PM
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23. Condaleeza Rice
Is that how you spell her silly name?

Bush is going to take great glee in making sure the rep party has the first woman in the whitehouse.
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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:26 PM
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24. First off, I doubt Cheney's gonna be replaced.. but if he is, FRIST
He's been an incompetent as Majority Leader, but he's Rove's boy. Trust me (or maybe not, considering that I really thought Kerry would win) - Frist will run in '08 with the WH's blessing.

That would also allow Senate Republicans to pick someone more hardcore, like Santorum.
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Nik Jam Donating Member (46 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 02:53 PM
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26. Not McCain, not Guiliani.
Don't even dream of it being a moderate Republican. It's going to a be a far right-wing guy, no question.
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newyawker99 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:17 PM
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27. Hi Nik Jam!!
Welcome to DU!! :toast:
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TheWebHead Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:23 PM
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28. Frist
he won't go with a moderate because his base would be furious and he won't go with his brother because that would be just too awkward and odd, that would sound more like a dictatorship ticket.... not like we're far away from one though.
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AlinPA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 05:32 PM
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29. Colin Powell. Easy call.
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Yupster Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:11 AM
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39. Agree Alin
Colin Powell would be the logical choice.
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theorist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:29 PM
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33. Rumor Mill says Rick Santorum.
This would be a major kick in the balls to the progressives, but this guy's run for reelection in 2006 is doomed to failure.

Let's hope it doesn't happen.
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fwiff Donating Member (184 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:31 PM
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34. It has to be someone willing to play 2nd fiddle to *
If D**k is calling the shots now, who will be calling them if he leaves?
They would really have to get someone who is willing to be #2 and toe the line - There's no way I could see His majesty Rudy doing that.
It would be an insider loyalist.
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jmowreader Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:31 PM
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35. It will be a CEO
Forget Catkiller Frist: Tennessee's Democratic governor means that any replacement for Frist would be a Dem, not a Republican, and Bush needs all the Republicans in the Senate he can possibly get. He needs all of the House Republicans too, so none of them will be tapped. He's gonna go to the business community.

I'm going to throw two names out there for your perusal. Both of them would make a better president than Shrub is, and they're both Republicans.

One of them is Bob Nardelli. He runs The Home Depot. Nardelli's strength is logistics. He runs a corporation with well over 300,000 employees. He is not my first choice, but he's going to be on any Bush CEO shortlist.

I think Carly Fiorina from HP will be the next vice-president. Carly has a Harvard MBA but she didn't come to class stoned the way Bush did. She's smart and, more importantly, she's a grand opportunity for Bush to make the GOP the first party to put a woman in the White House. I think she's more moderate than Shrub, but that goes without saying: Attila the Hun is more moderate than Shrub.

One thing that might kill either one's chances is their personnel policies: I know Home Depot, and I think HP, has same-sex partner benefits. HP would have had them longer than we. This would piss off the fundie base. My third choice is Norm Miller from Interstate Batteries--who gets the nod primarily for his rabid evangelism. I would say Truett Cathy from Chick-fil-a, but he's older than Cheney and Bush needs a young person.

But it's going to be a CEO. He can't afford to pull one of his precious Republican votes from Congress.
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VOX Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:37 PM
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36. Frist term-limited himself to 2006. Consider the timing...
And how big of a stretch is it to think that BushCo would install a shining new veep, so he could run as a semi-incumbent in 2008?

Everything Cheney does now (basically running foreign policy) could phoned in.

Look for it to happen.
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yellowdogintexas Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-13-04 10:45 PM
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37. did he really term limit himself?
I did not know that! My friend in Tennessee is all fired up to get him out of office in '06.

Of course when he termlimited himself, was he even dreaming that he would become Majority Leader? Probably not.

My grandfather's doctor was Senator Frist's grandfather, and yes they were big time Democrats. They also started Hospital Corporation of America. I think everybody in the family is a doctor of some kind or another. Bill's brother is a plastic surgeon, I think.

Well, under the 1964 succession act, if the VP dies or is otherwise unable to serve, the president can appoint a successor, who must go through Senate confirmation ( I am old enough to remember all that happened with Nixon/Agnew.) If the president should die or otherwise have to leave office after that then the appointed VP becomes President (re: Jerry Ford) and gets to then appoint a new VP who must be approved.
Ford appointed Nelson Rockefeller, a Republican who would be a democrat if he were alive today. So from the time Nixon resigned our Pres and VP were NOT elected by the nation as a whole, although Ford was elected to Congress and was in fact House Minority Leader when Nixon tapped him to succeed Agnew
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DoyBoy Donating Member (120 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:17 AM
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40. What about Ashcroft...he did just resign you know...nt
Edited on Sun Nov-14-04 01:18 AM by DoyBoy
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Fescue4u Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:20 AM
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41. Tom Ridge
Thats the scoop I've heard.
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fshrink Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:32 AM
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42. Without a doubt, someone worse.
Yes, it's possible!
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Stinky The Clown Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:35 AM
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43. Someone who can continue to guide the Boy King
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DemonFighterLives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-14-04 01:51 AM
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45. What about Ahnold?
They are grooming him. I'm sure B*sh could change a few rules to get away from the citizenship clause. But with Jeb in the wings, maybe dubby needs a loser as VP. Who will run the country is still in question.
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