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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:41 PM
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This goes all the way back to the Operation:PAPERCLIP Nazis imo
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 01:15 PM by bobthedrummer
The wreckage of zealots and tyrants, the work of traitors imho.

on edit: by "this" I refer to the deconstruction of this administration
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bryant69 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:42 PM
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1. Yeah I saw that X-Files too.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:54 PM
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2. Not a tv show.
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el_gato Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 12:56 PM
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3. immediately after WWII was a key time
the establishment of the CIA
Bretton-Woods
Operation Paperclip

all of this goes back to the same source

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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:03 PM
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4. Depends on what you mean by 'goes back to'
If you're talking about Operation Paperclip and the foetid cargo it brought to our shores being the 'intellectual and philosophical ancestors' of the turd in the White House today, then I'd wholeheartedly agree.

However, while some parties involved in Paperclip are still active, the 'torch' has been passed from faction to faction several times. I don't think there is an unbroken 'movement' that stems from the Nazi refugees brought here by the OSS. At least not a 'formal' one. With membership cards and handshakes.

But I guess they all probably know each other, socially anyway. And they all get together on business deals.

Maybe I'm just splitting hairs, the more I think about it....You're right.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 01:06 PM
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5. I can't forget that there were 37 Axis POW camps in Wisconsin in WWll.
Some of them "stayed".
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starroute Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:08 PM
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6. Knights of Malta, anyone?
I've got only scattered notes on this and haven't yet had the opportunity to find out how valid they are. But what I have ties the Knights of Malta and J. Peter Grace closely to Reinhard Gehlen and Operation Paperclip.

Other names linked to the Knights of Malta are William Casey, William Buckley and James Buckley, Prescott Bush Jr. and Alexander Haig. There are also connections with the P-2 Masonic Lodge and with support of the Contras in the 80's.

The trail does go pretty cold after the 80's, though, with most of the major players getting old or dying, so I don't know if it has any present-day relevance.
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anarchy1999 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:12 PM
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7. You are on it, dead on.
Now, go get your supply of tin foil and take cover. Incoming assault soon.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:18 PM
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8. The Nazi virus was Americanized.
The world is now living with the symptoms.

From my blog a few months ago:

The Nazi virus entered America's system long ago. It's been Americanized. But what else would one expect, given the CIA was essentially a co-creation of Nazis like General Reinhard Gehlen and his Abwehr anti-Soviet intelligence apparatus and Nazi money launderers like Allen Dulles and the corporatist/intelligence old boy network of Sullivan and Cromwell. No. Such men got exactly what they expected.

"Once the neo-fascists became bold enough to slay the President on the street, they showed their hand," Mort Sahl said early in 1968. So early Dr King and Robert Kennedy were yet to join the body count. "They showed how arrogant they had become. Now it's a question of symptom. That crime was a national symptom. If we can turn our back on that, we will pay a terrible price. That will be the end of this democracy."

They showed their hand, and they've had forty years of getting away with it. And not for lack of evidence. Anyone who thinks otherwise hasn't read Fonzi's The Last Investigation, Russell's The Man Who Knew Too Much or Newman's Oswald and the CIA, to cite just three works. Rather, they got away with it because the truth is too terrible, and many who did not conspire in the killing conspired in the cover-up because they were led to believe that a finding of official complicity in Kennedy's death would shatter the system, when in fact it might have killed the virus.

And undoubtedly the same justification has been used over and over again, to shield Americans from the awful truth of state-sanctioned assassinations, the October Surprise, medical experiments worthy of Mengele, the introduction of crack to the LA underclass, BCCI, 9/11 and on and on. High treason, many times over. But so what? You know what they say about none daring to call it such should it prosper. And brother, has it prospered.

Here's the thing: we're not talking about discrete, singular, sui generis conspiracies here. Indeed, these are not even conspiracies, in the sense of representing aberrant breaks with the system. These are, rather, examples that the system works. It's just not the system Americans were taught in civics class. The examples evidence the criminalization of the state by the deep political nexus of underworld, intelligence, industrial and military interests. "America," to these players, serves as the legit front for their lawless enterprise. The Nazi virus has consumed the host. If it were eradicated and the host miraculously recovered, the poor thing would swear up and down it was still late Autumn, 1963.

http://rigorousintuition.blogspot.com/2004/08/which-world-war-is-it-anyway.html
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:20 PM
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9. MB, can I be your cousin?
It has nothing to do with immigration. I just like the way you think.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:26 PM
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10. hey, if it helps you get a ticket on the underground railroad,
all the better. :hi:
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grasswire Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 02:38 PM
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11. Hey, I already know the words to...
..."Maple Leaf Forever." My father was born in Ontario and never relinquished his Canadian citizenship. My grandparents homesteaded in the wilds of Saskatchewan. That branch of my family left the Colonies at the end of the Revolutionary War. But I'm not leaving.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:00 PM
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12. The C.I.A. & The Muslim BrotherhoodHow the CIA set the stage for Sept11
Reverend Franklin Graham, the pugnacious preacher who delivered the prayer at President George W. Bush's 2001 inauguration, might have a bone to pick with the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA). When Franklin branded Islam "a very evil and wicked religion" after the 9/11 terrorist attacks, he had no idea that American spies were once eager to promote a Muslim leader in the Middle East modeled after his own father, the famous evangelist Billy Graham.

The CIA often works in mysterious ways - and so it was with this little-known cloak-and-dagger caper that set the stage for extensive collaboration between US intelligence and Islamic extremists. The genesis of this ill-starred alliance dates back to Egypt in the mid-1950s, when the CIA made discrete overtures to the Muslim Brotherhood, the influential Sunni fundamentalist movement that fostered Islamic militancy throughout the Middle East. What started as a quiet American flirtation with political Islam became a Cold War love affair on the sly - an affair that would turn out disastrously for the United States. Nearly all of today's radical Islamic groups, including al-Qaeda, trace their lineage to the Brotherhood.

.............

To understand what happened on that fateful day when terrorist strikes leveled the World Trade Center and damaged the Pentagon, one must revisit the turbulent changes that took place a half century earlier in the land of the sphinx. After seizing power in a 1952 military coup Egyptian Col. Gamal Abdul Nasser quickly threw prominent Communists in jail. This raised eyebrows among US cloak-and-dagger operatives who were eager to oblige when Nasser requested help in upgrading Egypt's ineffectual secret service. But the US government "found it highly impolitic to help him directly," the late CIA agent Miles Copeland acknowledged in his memoirs, The Game of Nations , so the CIA subcontracted more than a hundred German Third Reich vets, who specialized in Nazi security and interrogation techniques, to do the job.

..............

Copeland was off and running. He visited several Egyptian mosques in search of an Islamic preacher who could sway the Arab masses in a manner most congenial to US interests. Although Copeland never found the CIA's messiah, his furtive machinations were not without impact. While on the prowl for a Muslim Billy Graham, Copeland reached out to leaders of the religious revival movement known as the Ikhwan, or Muslim Brotherhood, which sought to build an Islamic society from the bottom up. The seeds of a clandestine relationship between the CIA and the Ikhwan were planted by Copeland, who surmised that the Muslim Brothers, by virtue of their strong antipathy to Arab nationalism as well as Communism, might be a viable counterweight to Nasser in the years ahead, US intelligence would become a defacto partner of the Brotherhood as it evolved from a mass-based social reform organization into the wellspring of Islamic terrorism.

RAZORMAGAZINE08-04
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Nov-15-04 03:01 PM
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13. more from the article
Edited on Mon Nov-15-04 03:09 PM by seemslikeadream
"Any contact Miles had with the Muslim Brotherhood was not official policy," insists retired CIA officer Raymond Close, a colleague of Copeland in the Middle East. "It was strictly solo work on his part. There were an awful lot of things that Miles did that were totally off the board."

Whether Copeland's efforts were "off the board" or otherwise, the Muslim Brotherhood was certainly a force to be reckoned with. Since its inception in 1928, the Society of the Muslim Brothers sought to restore Islamic law and values in the face of growing Western influence. Launched as a social welfare association, it became a focal point of resistance to British colonial rule. The Special Order Group, a secret paramilitary wing set up by the Brotherhood, carried out guerrilla raids in Egypt during the 1940's, bombing British installations and killing British soldiers and civilians. By the time Brotherhood founder Hassan al-Banna was assassinated in 1949, the fast-growing Ikhwan, with its distinctive green flag crossed with white swords and a red Koran, had a half million Egyptian members and affiliates in several other countries.

...........

American intelligence formed a three-way tryst with the Saudis and the Muslim Brothers, according to Robert Baer, the former case officer in the CIA's Directorate of Operations. With the CIA's implicit approval, the Saudi royals channeled funds to the Brothers who joined a US-backed, anti-Nasser insurgency in Yemen in 1962. "Like any other truly effective covert action, this one was strictly off the books," explains Baer. "There was no CIA funding, no memorandum of notification to Congress. Not a penny came out of the Treasury to fund it. All the White House had to do was give a wink and a nod to countries harboring the Muslim Brothers."

Yemen was just a warm up. To give a boost to Islamic proselytizing the Saudis with CIA encouragement, founded the Muslim World League in 1962. Underwritten initially by several donors including the Saudi-based Aramco oil consortium (then a CIA collaboration, the League established a formidable international presence with representatives in 120 countries. Members of the Muslim Brotherhood occupied key staff positions at the League while it disseminated anti-communist religious propaganda and sponsored the construction of mosques and Islamic center's around the world.

from my friend
Octafish

I smell a NAZI rat.


A BFEE rat, friends of the Dulles brothers and Prescott Bush, named Reinhard Gehlen.

1042-1952 Egypt: Nasser, NAZIs and the CIA

EXCERPT...

In 1952, with CIA help, Nasser overthrew Britain?s puppet ruler, King Farouk. To build Nasser?s spy and security forces, CIA boss Allen Dulles turned to Gen. Reinhard Gehlen, an ex-Nazi military intelligence chief, who then worked for the CIA.

CONTINUED ARCHIVE SOURCE:
http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache:0oQFNXdPbZUJ:coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/articles/51_08.pdf+muslim-brother+%2B+cia&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

LINK TO PDF:

http://coat.ncf.ca/our_magazine/links/issue51/articles/51_08.pdf

Gee. That BFEE sure knows how to get things done -- in a plausibly deniable way, of course.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:11 PM
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14. Double Kick.
:dem::kick:
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