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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:50 AM
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SMOKING GUN! re: e-voting and fraud....check it out.
I just got this in my e-mail and thought I would pass it on!!!! It is very interesting............


THIS IS SOMETHING TO GET OUT TO THE MEDIA, AND THE SENATE JUSTICE WHO WE EMAILED BEFORE!
SEND THIS INFORMATION OUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Subject: Smoking Gun!

PLEASE TAKE ACTION, TIME IS OF THE ESSENCE. PLEASE FORWARD TO EVERYONE.


Smoking Gun

You may have seen the associated press story about the precinct in Cuyahoga county that had less than 1,000 voters, and gave Bush almost 4,000 extra votes.
But that turns out to be only the tip of a very ugly iceberg. The evidence discovered by some remarkably careful sleuthing would convince any reasonable court to invalidate the entire Ohio election.
In last Tuesday's election, 29 precincts in Cuyahoga County, Ohio, reported votes cast IN EXCESS of the number of registered voters - at least 93,136 extra votes total. And the numbers are right there on the official Cuyahoga County Board of Elections website:

Bay Village - 13,710 registered voters / 18,663 ballots cast
Beachwood - 9,943 registered voters / 13,939 ballots cast
Bedford - 9,942 registered voters / 14,465 ballots cast
Bedford Heights - 8,142 registered voters / 13,512 ballots cast
Brooklyn - 8,016 registered voters / 12,303 ballots cast
Brooklyn Heights - 1,144 registered voters / 1,869 ballots cast
Chagrin Falls Village - 3,557 registered voters / 4,860 ballots cast
Cuyahoga Heights - 570 registered voters / 1,382 ballots cast
Fairview Park - 13,342 registered voters / 18,472 ballots cast
Highland Hills Village - 760 registered voters / 8,822 ballots cast
Independence - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Mayfield Village - 2,764 registered voters / 3,145 ballots cast
Middleburg Heights - 12,173 registered voters / 14,854 ballots cast
Moreland Hills Village - 2,990 registered voters / 4,616 ballots cast
North Olmstead - 25,794 registered voters / 25,887 ballots cast
Olmstead Falls - 6,538 registered voters / 7,328 ballots cast
Pepper Pike - 5,131 registered voters / 6,479 ballots cast
Rocky River - 16,600 registered voters / 20,070 ballots cast
Solon (WD6) - 2,292 registered voters / 4,300 ballots cast
South Euclid - 16,902 registered voters / 16,917 ballots cast
Strongsville (WD3) - 7,806 registered voters / 12,108 ballots cast
University Heights - 10,072 registered voters / 11,982 ballots cast
Valley View Village - 1,787 registered voters / 3,409 ballots cast
Warrensville Heights - 10,562 registered voters / 15,039 ballots cast
Woodmere Village - 558 registered voters / 8,854 ballots cast
Bedford (CSD) - 22,777 registered voters / 27,856 ballots cast
Independence (LSD) - 5,735 registered voters / 6,226 ballots cast
Orange (CSD) - 11,640 registered voters / 22,931 ballots cast
Warrensville (CSD) - 12,218 registered voters / 15,822 ballots cast
The Republicans are so BUSTED.

http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#top
<http://boe.cuyahogacounty.us/BOE/results/currentresults1.htm#top> is the official website of the Cuyahoga county election board,
providing irrefutable evidence that the vote was off by at least 93,000.
Kerry lost Ohio by approximately 130,000, so this is not an insignificant
figure that can be ignored, particularly when there are numerous other
indications of voter fraud in Ohio and elsewhere. I think the only possible alternative is to invalidate the entire Ohio election, if not the entire national election.
I'd say the game's up.America, it looks pretty much like you've been had.
Sincerely,
Teed Rockwell, Philosophy Dept., Sonoma State University



BUSH HAS NOT YET BEEN CHOSEN BY THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE.
THE ELECTORS MEET AND VOTE ON DEC. 13.
QUESTIONS NEED TO BE RAISED ABOUT THE RESULTS
- AND RAISED LOUDLY -
TO GET AN INVESTIGATION LAUNCHED BEFORE THAT DATE.
SO FAR, THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA IS NOT PICKING UP THE STORY.
THEY MOVED VERY SLOWLY AFTER THE 2000 ELECTION.
OVER TO YOU.
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RBHam Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:51 AM
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1. Make sure you contact the DNC and Kerry!
(chortle)
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SoCalDem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 AM
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2. I think they got that information...here!
It's been floating around here for a week or so.. I hope the correct people are looking into this.. The media is more interested in Scott Peterson:(
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 AM
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3. This has been debunked
They have an ungodly accounting system of bulking the absentee ballots together for a large area and adding them to all the totals. It makes no logical sense, but the inner pages on their website have the correct totals.
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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:04 PM
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6. Don't absentee ballots have to be sent to the area you are registered
to vote at???? Or you sure they are not just spinning....to covering their butts???????
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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:15 PM
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10. Also....if this has been debunked then.....
how come they are doing a re-count in Ohio???? What do they hope to find?
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noamnety Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:16 PM
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14. the recount is for other reasons
92,000 "spoiled" ballots
homeland security lockouts
variations between exit polls and votes
19,000 ballots found late and run through a machine - which totalled them in almost exactly the same percentage as the previous 30,000 ballots - Kerry had 33.92% both before and after the 19,000 ballots were added - as if the machine had been preprogrammed?
areas where over 1/4 of the ballots had the president choice blank.

There are lots of reasons to be suspicious of the official count. The bundling of the absentee ballots doesn't appear to be one of them. http://pages.ivillage.com/americans4america/id23.html has an explanation, which they are blaming on - what else? a computer "glitch."
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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:19 PM
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16. Thank you that was really helpful.
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:21 PM
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11. I think it's butt covering
Here, the machines couldn't hold all the ballots. Some of them were "forgotten." When they were found, they were ran in with the absentee ballots.

This puts all the numbers "off". Pretty well making things hard to check.

These people do not THINK about audits. But we should have a law in place that makes the process aduitable right through the process.

They should be required to post daily the number of absentee ballots requested and returned before election day and afterwards.

They should be required to post the absentee ballots as a absentee ballot "pct." So this could be verified with the numbers. Same with early voting stations. If the machine is closed out daily, then each day is a "pct."

During the counting, the elections office should be required to post the information on the internet in a detailed manor. NOT HARD, it's all ran by software programs. This data should include the pct counted and the votes for all the canidates. So THAT NIGHT people know the pct data. This is red flag information!!

The whole process chould be "snap shot" along the way and compared to earlier, later data to search for errors. This way everyone could be in the "helpful" process of ensuring the vote is clean and error free. And if errors are found, could be fixed quickly.

This would make the process accountable. The data could be verified. When errors are found, it should be NOTED on the web page. All it takes is 1 person hired to make notations during the event.

If there is a fear of to many "hits", then the most detailed data pages could be "access only." Meaning that a person would request access ahead of time. ALL access to be approved. Those would be people activily intrested in "monitoring" the elctions "like a witness." Those just wanting a general "update" would go to the regular web site for results.

As for actual voting. It should be a law that enough voting machines and counting machines be avalibe so that EVERYONE can vote in a reasonable time. The Elections office should be held legaly accountable if there isn't. NO EXCUSES! Also, at each pct, several computers should be avalible for the voters use, to search to find their pct. Pre-printed maps showing directions from one pct to another should be avalible. (this saves time on the computer)

People should be able to check their voter registration status on computers. No more finding out on the day of election.

And in cases like what is going on in Ohio and what happened in Florida. The elections office should be read for counting quickly. So that enough time would be avalible for recounts. If not, they should be held legaly accountable.

Persons involved in a canidates race for ANY race (local, state or national) can not work in the elections division. PERIOD! Canidates or elected officals should not be allowed to work in the elections divisions as counters or canvasors. PERIOD! People who are DEC or REC are elected persons. That means party hacks from all sides would also be disallowed. They would be observers ONLY!
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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:24 PM
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12. I agree
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Spangle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:04 PM
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8. Absentee ballot is a VOTE
The numbers show how many voted and how many ballots counted.

Absentee ballot returned is a person who VOTED.

Now, if they do not want to include the number of absentee voters in with the 'regular" voters, then the number of absentee ballots should also be listed.

How many absentee ballots?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:52 AM
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4. Yet they still did not believe.
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Gregorian Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 11:56 AM
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5. It's all but silent out there.
I feel the growing momentum of acceptance. Almost noone is looking back. I sense that America is not a country that looks back. There isn't even any introspection, let alone retrospection. This is more than infuriating.
My fear of what I perceive as growing momentum of acceptance that it's over, is that even with all the evidence that has mounted, nothing will reverse. Can anyone imagine Bush conceding? Only if struck by lightning.

Let's go! Time to awaken the shopping masses.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:04 PM
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7. Those Precincts Include
absentee ballots from other precincts. The county totaled the absentee ballots in larger groups and stuck the totals into individual precincts.

The individual polling stations thus don't add up to the precinct totals in these 29 cases. But if you ignore the subtotals and just add up all the individual polling stations, it adds up to the official vote. I did this myself last week from the original county data and can vouch for it.

The county did not footnote or indicate in any way what they did. It's an amazingly poor presentation of the data. But unfortunately, there's no smoking gun here.
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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:12 PM
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9. I still don't understand this.....
It sounds like you are saying the absentee ballots are not from registered voters. Aren't the numbers reflecting registered voters vs. ballots???? In PA the absentee ballots go to the precincts the voter is registered from....if this is not so in Ohio....how do they know the person is even registered? This does not seem right to me.
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On the Road Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 12:44 PM
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13. Here's What The County Says It Did
They reported the vote by 265 precincts, wards, etc, with detail for each polling location.

They counted the absentee ballots in about 30 groups rather than divide them into 265 geographic locations. Totals for the absentee ballots were added to the subtotals of each precinct. It looked something like this:

Bay Village 1A 100 Votes
Bay Village 2A 100 Votes
Bay Village 3A 100 Votes
Bay Village 4A 100 Votes
---------------------------
Bay Village Total 521 Votes

The extra 121 votes were absentee ballots not only for Bay Village, but for a much larger area.

It looks at first glance like the vote is inflated. However, if you go back and add up all the individual lines (in other words, 400 instead of 521), it equals the official vote count. So in fact there was no irregularity here, just poor presentation of information.

The county gave no indication in the report that this had been done, so the activist who discovered this had every reason to think that something unusual was going on.



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donhakman Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 01:34 PM
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15. The actual smoking gun
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mom-mad-about-bush Donating Member (253 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Nov-16-04 02:23 PM
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17. But, they are recounting Ohio....so there must be something to it.
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