If 42 percent of Hispanics voted for Bush

Why?

Vinnie Vin
http://www.vinnievin.com

PS I don't buy it.

The offer of citizenship for illegals that are currently here could have had something to do with it perhaps. Just a thought.

Here in Southern California Hispanic people are so thoroughly integrated into society that they don't seem like "minority" people to themselves or anyone else.

Why do Democrats assume that Hispanics should vote their way? Many of them are active Roman Catholics and socially conservative. Other than that, they're just like the population at large. They fill every niche, every occupation, every economic stratum in society. At least that's the way things are in my neighborhood, city, and county.

The Mexican families that I knew in California, and this was years ago, were annoyed by illegals because it made their lives more difficult. These were families that had been in the state since there was a California. Thinking that every Mexican or Latino thinks exactly the same is kind of racist too.

I know many California legal immigrants and Hispanic families. You're right, they tend to resent illegal aliens. My point is that assuming that they would be sympathetic to them is erroneous.

Thinking that every Mexican or Latino thinks exactly the same is kind of racist too.

It's just plain wrong. I believe that erroneous assumption arises from ignorance rather than racism per se.

I've seen the same thing with hispanic voters here on the Central Coast as well. Hispanic voters are in-play. Political parties have to figure out what issues really concern them in their own local areas in order to get their votes. They can't be taken for granted. They're not a voting block unless you get crossways with them.

Neither California Proposition 187 (denial of public services to illegal aliens) nor Proposition 227 (outlawing of mandatory bilingual education assignment by virtue of having a hispanic surname) could have passed without substantial support from California's hispanic voters.

because the mexican immigrants fighting for your freedom in the us armed forces get citizenship upon completion of service?

you make it seem like they just hand this stuff out. what would be compelling enough of an offer to make you join the service?

The same exit poll that showed Bush doing relatively well nationally amongst Hispanics said that Bush won 59% of the Texas Hispanic vote.

In short, there is no way Bush won 59% of the Texas Hispanic vote. He would have won Texas with 70% or more if that were true. He would have won more of the counties with large Hispanic populations, or would have won them by a lot more in the case of the ones he squeaked out.

To me, that casts doubt on the national results of this poll as well. Especially since there are other exit polls that show very different results.

--Peter

last year, so seems like if that's the claim, he should've took Texas by much more... I believe Travis County also has a fairly high Hispanic population & went Dem. Hard to try to analyze a fixed election though...

and of course many Nicaraguans vote Republican

I don't think we have a significant number of Cubans living here.

Anyway, this exit poll shows Bush with only 56% of Hispanics in Florida, despite its large numbers of Cubans.

I don't think anyone can seriously believe that a higher percentage of Hispanics in Texas voted for Bush than in Florida.

Comparing the NEP exit poll to actual vote counts in specific states/counties just confirms that it is not to be believed.

After all, it also predicted Kerry would win by 3 points.

--Peter

chuck schumer said many latinos who voted for bush did so because of the gay marriage thing and many of them even had problems with bush on economic issues.

a big reason could be the republicans spreading propaganda against kerry in catholic churches. those places should be taxed.

More evidence that the exit polls this year are totally screwed up. They predicted Kerry winning, now they have Bush winning preposterous numbers of Hispanics in the South and Texas, yet relatively few in Cuban-heavy Florida.

Totally back-asswards.

--Peter

There are so many different hispanic cultures, and many are distrustful of each other. The Democrats would be wise to find someone who specializes in latin American cultures so you can pinpoint the clusters that would be more Democratic leaning.

In latin America, you have a people who have grown up in a two class system. The rich and the poor. The rich are very accustom to entitlements by birth. Those people will tend to see themselves as Republicans. The poor (and mostly the ones with drive to get educated and become professionals) are where the Democrats should be directing their attention. Market your policies around them. Education, affordable housing, Safe neighborhoods, organized public-paid intramurals. All these things will help form the basis of a community that will vote Democratic.

There are far more poor/middle class then there are upper class rabi blancos.