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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:38 AM
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Awesome article on the stolen election -- "WAS IT HACKED?"
Best article I've yet seen. This needs to be sent/posted EVERYWHERE. Thanks to Huckleberry for originally posting this in the Fraud Forum.


By Alan Waldman
Published 11/18/04

Despite mainstream media attempts to kill the story, talk radio and the Internet are abuzz with suggestions that John Kerry was elected president on Nov. 2 – but Republican election officials made it difficult for millions of Democrats to vote while employees of four secretive, GOP-bankrolled corporations rigged electronic voting machines and then hacked central tabulating computers to steal the election for George W. Bush.

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A quartet of companies control the U.S. vote count. Diebold, ES&S, Sequoia and SAIC are all hard-wired into the Bush campaign and power structure. Diebold chief Walden O'Dell is a top Bush fund-raiser. According to "online anarchist community" Infoshop.org, "At Diebold, the election division is run by Bob Urosevich. Bob's brother, Todd, is a top executive at 'rival' ES&S. The brothers were originally staked by Howard Ahmanson, a member of the Council For National Policy, a right-wing steering group stacked with Bush true believers. Ahmanson is also one of the bagmen behind the extremist Christian Reconstruction Movement, which advocates the theocratic takeover of American democracy." Sequoia is owned by a partner member of the Carlyle Group, which is believed to have dictated foreign policy in both Bush administrations and has employed former President Bush for quite a while.

All early Tuesday indicators predicted a Kerry landslide. Zogby International (which predicted the 2000 outcome more accurately than any national pollster) did exit polling which predicted a 100-electoral vote triumph for Kerry. He saw Kerry winning crucial Ohio by 4 percent.

Princeton professor Sam Wang, whose meta-analysis had shown the election to be close in the week before the election, began coming up with dramatic numbers for Kerry in the day before and day of the election. At noon EST on Monday, Nov. 1, he predicted a Kerry win by a 108-vote margin.

more at -

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/Story.asp?ID=4688
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Surikat Donating Member (107 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:41 AM
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1. How could something that big...
Edited on Thu Nov-18-04 12:42 AM by Surikat
...that would take literally thousands of people to carry off... have been kept a secret?

Hell, write a classified report about Fallujah for the high command in Baghdad and four brasshats leak it to the press before the printer ink is dry. That's what America is like. Secrets are neigh impossible to keep here.

This harping on conspiracies just wastes the limited time we have till the mid-term elections. There is a hell of a lot of work to do before then if the party's fortunes are to be turned around. Daydreaming about stolen elections ain't cutting it people.
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nadinbrzezinski Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:43 AM
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2. And not fixing the problem will sneure minority status for
the Demos, or ANY OTHER minority party for the next generation or two.

I guess voter supresion and getting rid of your vote does not bother you either

It is NOT a conspiracy theory and we have to do something about it, or you can kiss this democracy good bye
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Hello_Kitty Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:44 AM
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3. The electronic fraud would only take a few people
The massive intimidation and suppression efforts were carried out by thousands of people openly. They made no secret of it.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:52 AM
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4. You are right

They were open about at the poll locations I was working, they even put up the middle finger at me and my daughter whom I had brought along so that she might learn about the voting process. Bad people, very bad people, suppressing the vote.
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GetTheRightVote Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:53 AM
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5. Programmer insight

I am also a programmer, they could do it if that planned it out, it can be done, machines are easy to hack into with a back door as well.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:56 AM
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6. keep dreaming. Without fixing e-voting, Democracy is OVER
and everything you do regarding politics will be a complete waste of time.

It's over. Help fix it, or accept it.

Here are a couple of more links you might want to read:

http://www.consortiumnews.com/2004/110604.html

http://www.scoop.co.nz/mason/stories/HL0411/S00227.htm



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drunkdriver-in-chief Donating Member (267 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:03 AM
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8. Oh good lord - You are so wrong
The gover-media can cover up anything. For example, the evidence that our govt is lying about 9-11 is overwhelming and yet the media never speaks of it. Millions of people know the official story is a lie but nothing is done.

Believe me, thousands of people may have been involved in stealing this election for bush and that story could still very easily be covered up. You have no idea how corrupt our media is and how good our govt is at spreading disinformation.
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Bridget Burke Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:55 AM
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12. Thanks for the encouragement.
We're glad that DU membership is growing. There is a small subset of new members who, at first, appear inimical to our goals. However, they provide a valuable service.

These are the people who've joined just to warn us off a particular topic. You know: "9/11 couldn't have been prevented," "bad intelligence led to the Iraq fiasco," & that oldie but goodie "the election was not stolen!" They encourage us to move on because people will think ill of us for believing in conspiracies.

Such urgent warnings to abandon certain topics only point out the issues we need to pursue. Somebody's getting nervous....



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JudyM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:03 AM
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14. Nicely put. I agree wholeheartedly.
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Stephanie Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:03 AM
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13. Gee, did you SEE the people standing on line TEN HOURS to vote?
Did that seem NORMAL to you? Had you ever seen anything like that in elections past? Do you think it could have been part of a STRATEGY to suppress votes? Do you think there might have been OTHER techniques employed as well? Or were all the reported voting problems just a big COINCIDENCE? Gosh, I hope we don't have so many coincidences in the NEXT election!

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ParanoidPat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:56 AM
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17. It wasn't a "conspiracy", It was an "agenda".........
.......pass it on. :evilgrin:
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:12 AM
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15. I'm sure "literally thousands of people" did carry it off.
They had four years to plan for this election fraud. And this evil bunch is all about keeping secrets. Ignore this at your own peril.
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alfredo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 12:05 PM
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18. All it takes is a few people in the know to do it.
When one 15 year old can cause havoc on the internet with a few lines of VB, it is not out of the question that 3-4 insiders could do the same in two or three swing state tabulators.

The problem is, these companies have fought accountability, have shown they're very partisan, and show little concern for security of data. After 2000, we should be wary of these results, especially with all the underhanded tactics used by bush supporters. Blackwell put bush's reelection above the voting rights of the people of Ohio. We have every right and a duty to make sure this election is on the up and up. Actions of the bush campaign have raised these suspicion.
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 01:01 AM
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7. this is indeed the best summary of the election I've seen . . .
and it should be e-mailed and posted far and wide . . . this is what happened in this election, and there's no doubt in my mind that Kerry not only won the legitimate vote, but won it by a substantial margin . . . the old saying "It's not who votes that counts, it's who counts the votes" was never more true . . . if we allow this to stand, it will mark the end of our democratic electoral process, quite possibly forever . . . which once again raises the question "Where the hell are John Kerry and the Democrats?" . . .
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chimpymustgo Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:31 AM
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9. Kick.
nt
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SmokingJacket Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:38 AM
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10. Excellent article!!! Will send the link around. n/t
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annabanana Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 10:44 AM
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11. The whole CONCEPT of a modern democracy is only 230 years old.....
much too young to die, imho
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Greyskye Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-18-04 11:46 AM
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16. First time I've seen THIS spelled out so clearly:

Centre for Research on Globalization's Michael Keefer states, "The National Election Pool's own data – as transmitted by CNN on the evening of November 2 and the morning of November 3 – suggest very strongly that the results of the exit polls were themselves fiddled late on November 2 in order to make their numbers conform with the tabulated vote tallies."

How do we know the fix was in? Keefer says the total number of respondents at 9 p.m. was well over 13,000 and at 1:36 a.m. it had risen less than 3 percent – to 13,531 total respondents. Given the small increase in respondents, this 5 percent swing to Bush is mathematically impossible. In Florida, at 8:40 p.m., exit polls showed a near dead heat but the final exit poll update at 1:01 a.m. gave Bush a 4 percent lead. This swing was mathematically impossible, because there were only 16 more respondents in the final tally than in the earlier one.



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