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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 02:46 AM
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Self serving ignorance
Some people need to ask themselvves...
Is having a bunch of jerk off material really worth supporting a human trafficking industry? If you think so,than you are a hypocrite if you EVER condemned The torture at Abu Gharib.
If you are such a selfish defensive in denial dick that you would choose to look the other way for the sake of your porn habit and possible human rights violations,you have no ethics and empathy and morally are no better than the tortuers at Guantanimo.They too have a rationale for what they choose to do too.Porn is not wrong or anything in of itself.
Porn becomes a criminal act when the people dipicted in the pictures are COERCED or forced to do exploitative sex to avoid abuse or starvation or because of a debt scam, a basement lock,a gun,or thugs holding them captive. This is how some porn is made in order to meet the demand.

If porn you look at is just a bunch of cute people taking nekkid pictures of each other willingly,for fun than it's normal,A truly innocent excercize of people's first amendment right,A sexual escapade that violates no ones human rights ONLY if the photos are not obtained by abuse,slavery,threats or cocercion.

So when I see all the selectively ignorant people on DU who insult me instead of CONSIDERING what I am saying,about human trafficking,to defend thier fetish.I question idf they have compassion at all..People who claim to be so'liberal' and concerned about human rights, that act like this..I wonder why they will not bother to question where SOME of those pictures they get off on may come from,but would rather say I am full of shit and insult me.Is it because they are in DENIAL?

I begin to wonder how much ethics do all these vocal and staunch porn advocates and the selfish people on DU have,especially those who refuse to make the logical connections between sex crimes and profits porn can generate that help feed the industry a reason to abuse people here have.
Sometimes producers of porn DO violate HUMAN RIGHTS for profit.Alot of industries toss away human rights for profit,why should the porn industry be magically exempted from corruption? That is a stupid fantasy to have. The porn industry,the profits and the demand it created has also created an excuse for human rights violations and there is very little oversight or effective law enforcement to make sure the performers/models are not held in captivity,cocerced ,not protected from criminals and abusers or if the porn was not obtained by force from people in captivity.

The criminal pornographers,kidnappers,abusers,slave owners, and sex slave traffickers make porn into a dirty, ugly abusive business. And it's all the millions of horny ignorant selfish people who think they are not defending human rights abuses for axcess to a few more naked pictures who have screwed up thier own damn priorities and choose to fail to see they are whom helps keep the demand going for more pictures and porn movies of different people, well beyond the limited numbers of people willing to devote thier lives to being a porn star.

So how do all the millions of people not seeking a career in porn get themselves stuck in porn careers? Desperation? Drugs? Cocercion? Manipulation? Escaping war? Sold as a sex slave by parents in debt slavery? Escaping abuse at home? Seeking passage to America through a mail order bride service that is really a front for human slave trafficking?

If you refuse to even question the possibility of porn industry having a connection to human trafficking/sex slave industry you are in active denial of the reality of supply and demand in a sexually repressed consumer culture thast is held together by cocercion and make believe.
If out of one side of your ass you complain about the immorality and sickness of tortures in other countries or the atrocities at Abu Gharib and you deny or excuse human trafficking because you want your porn,and you don't give a shit about who getrs hurt when it is made..you don't want porn producers to be held accountable for how porn is produced,like ANY industry than you are a hypocrite.
So many people right here are selfish hypocrite assholes in selective denial about porn,rape and abuse even here on DU it is disgusing.This denial hostility and hypocraisy is part of the problem that keeps corruption and human rights abuses alive in 21st century america.It's called ENABLING ABUSE.

FYI sex slaves can be found in anytown USA, any house can set up a porn web site and make mad money off the sex drive of millions of oblivious assholes like you insisting on aquiring a huge endless cache of porn..at any cost as long as you never have to question how it is made at what human cost.
I hate how godamn self absorbed,reactionary and selective some people can be concerning some issues and information they don't wanna hear.
Here are links to stuff about Slave trafficking in the US.
Just in case you need some proof to keep the denial from setting in.

http://magma.nationalgeographic.com/ngm/0309/feature1/
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1408233
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/opinion/190755_slavery15.html
http://www.planusa.org/contentmgr/showdetails.php/id/644
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OneBlueSky Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 03:11 AM
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1. well . . . though I'm no porn addict, I think there's another side . . .
to the story as well . . . and that's the "legitimate" adult film industry -- legitimate because it consists of consenting adults who do what they do (i.e. provide erotic entertainment) because they want to and beause they see no harm in it . . . and there are apparently millions of human beings (both American and otherwise) who agree with them .. . exploitation is ALWAYS wrong . . . but not all adult entertainment is exploitation . . . check out "Family Business" on Showtime for an example . . .
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 11:15 AM
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3. Umm ok
Why are there two people defending the legit porn industry when I have ALREADY said legit porn is NOT the problem?

What makes you so defensive?

Im NOT talking about legit porn here.

I'm talking about the illigetimate porn that makes legit porn look bad by proxy and give the reactionary anti porn groups ammunition to remove all porn .understand?
It's a little more complicated than porn is bad or porn is good arguments peopole fall into.
I HOPE someone is able to read this reply ,the thread ain't buried and we can really discuss this issue like mature people.

I feel if the legit porn industry fails to really police itself and make sure NONE of it's porn comes from illigetamate sources it might actually protect the legit porn industry from reactionaries who think all porn is bad, for a million reasons ,stupid and not so stupid,human trafficking is an argument that acually has some weight among their more idiotic foaming defenses and attacks on porn.

Dems talk about how do we redefine values to wrestle control back from the right wing? To me discussing issues like this without being so reactionary urselves IS redefining values and taking morality OUT of the wingnuts black and white realm,asnd reasoning together so that we clearly understand where we stand and why.That is wisdom, where truie morality in a person is found.
Jumping to defend the legit industry when I am not talking about them is really a strange kind of selective blindness I think. Maybe this is why some people *appear* immoral to others who are hypocrites.

What do you think about the ILLEGITAMATE porn and the way it is mixed up and confused with legit porn?
What do you think about cocercion?
What do you think about manipulation of vunerable people for profit or sex?
Do you think poor desperate people should have to sell thier bodies to eat?
Do you think this is wrong?
Do you think porn should be accountable as to where and how it gets it's pictures?

I hope someone reads this because these ARE important questions.
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Make7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 05:05 AM
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2. "Porn is not wrong" (n/t)
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undergroundpanther Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 08:16 PM
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4. Porn is not wrong I agree
But using abuse and cocercion to get porn pictures to sell IS wrong!
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seabeyond Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-20-04 09:05 PM
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5. porn is not wrong.....
so you ignore the abuse of female. the comments from the original post and continue to ignore and deny as the post says

come up with every reason, regardless of absurdity, that it is ok for children

right no denial here

causing families to split up

but no problem

no denial here

nothing wrong with porn, nope
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