Why i'm considering leaving the Democratic Party

I'd been an advent Democrat since the early 1970's. Mainly because I remember when our party supported freedom, human rights, and values throughout the world. Afterall, it was the Democrats who helped bring media attention to the harsh human rights violations in my native Iran.

The NY Times brought attention to the overthrow of the only democratically elected leader in Iranian history, secular nationalist Dr. Mossadeqh and the Democrats denunced the eventual overthrow of Mossadeqh and the installation of the Republican backed Shah of Iran.

But, the modern day Democratic party has become the party the Republicans were in the 1970's . Human right and democracy has become rather mute, so mute that various groups not only make excuses for the reigning dictatorship in Iran, but go so far as support them.

This is not the same party who I strongly endorsed throughout the 70's, 80's and 90's.

Our party by being silent and often times supportive of a deeply unpopular dictatorship are no different than the opposing party in the 70's.

Many of my compatriates have left the party and i'm considering leaving.

This is not the party i joined in the early 70's.

What's an "advent Democrat"?

Has a little calendar with candy-filled windows? I'm a secular Independent, and don't keep up with these things...

Oh, you owe me a new (cheap) keyboard, REP!

You're cracking me up tonight -- for which I thank you!

ROFLFMAO...!

I was just thinking "Maybe 'advent' was supposed to be 'ardent'? I dunno. . ."

:shrug: candy-filled windows, LOL.

So, what color is the Candidate Candle?

you, neighbor? Or were you just horsing around? :evilgrin:

I'm awake now. . . and wondering where I hid my Advent wreath last year! One memorable year I didn't find it until the second Sunday of Easter.

As you know, the Republicans OWN the government. Often the Democrats are not even allowed into the room when proposed bills are being discussed.

Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo Bay. You want to leave the Democrats and join the party that sponsors THIS? The party that condones human rights abuses and claims the Geneva Conventions are quaint, outdated, unnecessary? The party that just decides the people held in Guantanamo Bay are not prisoners but instead enemy combatants? You think it's okay for the regime in charge to hold these people here indefinitely?

The MAJOR human rights issue OF THIS TIME, according to Amnesty International, is happening in the USA, not some third world country. Isn't it nice Bush sets such a great example for the rest of the world?

Welcome to the party of the fascists, hope you'll enjoy your stay.

but where in democratic's post do you see that he's thinking of leaving the Democratic Party to join the Republicans? Mayhaps he intends to join an alternate political organization (the Green Party for example), or his intent is to become apolitical. From what he writes here his future plans seem very indeterminate.

Topic starter did not state they were going to become Republican at all. I jumped to the wrong conclusion!

And yes, as a matter of fact, the Democrats have not spoken up loudly enough. I'm beginning to think the two parties have melded into one, or the Dems are too afraid of being Dashcled.

government make the democrats free from responsibility for their own failure to do whatever they can to ameliorate the situation?

The above poster doesn't say anything about joining the republicans. That spin is your own.

The fact is that there is a growing number of people who are increasingly unhappy with both parties. If the democrats do not make an effort to step and try to capture these votes, it will be a mistake.

vote strategically.

Frankly I cannot lend tacit support to the DLC....a parasitic Republicanism which has burrowed into the flesh of the Democratic party and largely succeeded in its purpose; Namely, to consume that which it has infected until nothing but the skin is left.

Welcome to the New American Century.

RC

That now makes you part of the nebulous "middle" the party gets obsessed with every election year :)

Independents due to the Dems' constant rollovers in front of any GOP pressure. Both of us were surprised and disappointed that Kerry conceded so quickly, considering all the votes that were uncounted at the time. We have concluded that we're living in a banana republic, where voting is just an illusion to pacify the populace, anyway. My husband feels the same way and I'd guess hers does, too.

I hate to leave the Democratic Party, having been a registered Dem since 1968, but it seems they left me a long time ago, moving ever rightward.

for the Iranian regime. Can you be specific? I haven't seen this support. Was it a leader of the party, or some of the crackpots who post here who suggested this support exists?

:D

That's what happens when you wake up at 2 a.m.

sure how to respond. Should we beg you to stay? Promise that the party will do better? Try to argue rationally? Get pissed and say 'don't let the doorknob hit you in the ass'? What is the proper response to your thread? What words do you hope to elicit?

Of course its not the same party...we're no longer in charge. The party we grew up in had run the house and senate rather tightly for 30+ years. Now we've been a distinct minority for 10 years. How could it possibly be the same party?

I've been in the party as long as you have and have been horribly pissed at times-I just never found a serious, adult alternative.

The only thing that seems appropriate is "vaya con dios", my friend, go with God. All your brothers and sisters who've fought just as long and just as hard as you, and are just as heartsick as you, will be right here, waiting for your self-imposed exile to end.

Actually, as far as the presidential races go, that's a moot point since I live in New Jersey (primary in June).

Since the sad conclusion of this election and the subsequent rollover of the Democratic leadership, I've ended my truce with the Democrats. It's now back to a plague on both their corrupt houses.

Would I like a viable alternative--Oh yes.

If you hadn't noticed, we're not terribly good at that sort of thing.

I'll still vote for the rare (and vanishing) progressive Democrats that appear on my ballot (I live in Washington where the species is still around) if it's close, but after 39 years of holding my nose and being sold out again and again, win or lose, I've had enough.

The Democrats are committing suicide by their insistance on abandoning their principles in favor of pandering to the mythical "middle" by moving right.

The choice has become too much one of voting for a Republican(R) or a Republican(D).

Who do you think you're kidding, aside from newbies?

I've been a registered Democrat since 1965. You?

When Ronnie cut the taxes for the rich and powerful cooperations.
They used that money to consolidate there power.
And just as the hippies sold out and became money market managers, the Democrats did also.
And sense then they have just Ben playing the role of loyal opposition and being gracious in there losses not only in the offices in government but that of the morality of playing good cop bad cop with the electorate.

http://www.democracyforwashington.com/civicspace-0.5/?q=pcostructure

That's what I'm doing. I'm not going to let these wannabe-rethugs control MY party.

More of us actually IN the party, and we control it. We get people like Dean to head the DNC

You post something provocative at 4 am, and segue into a discussion of Iranian politics. Is it possible that you aren't actually from this country, or any time zone between Eastern and Pacific?

I totally feel the same way. But the option doesn't exist. We split, and they win.

We need to find a way to divide THEM.