I'm real sick of being called a "racist"

If my hatred for ass-kissing blacks such as Rice and Blackwell make me racist, then so be it.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=2728406

If you bristle when others think your comments are racist, I'd avoid making those statements.

and will continue to defend myself.

You certainly don't have my sympathies.

You are who now?

:eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes:
:eyes::eyes:

RL

But, I am here to tell you that she is one of the best DUers EVER, and sure as hell not a racist.

Anyone that has been on DU for any period of time will tell you that.

And, btw...screw Condi Rice...she's a sell-out bitch. Google her sister.

Stephanie

Tough.

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again, you are who now?

and I should give a shit because????? :think:

oh how silly.

Was that careful eniough for you?

RL

Don't know her personally, but I can say that I've crossed paths many a time with Catwoman on interesting, important, but short-lived threads about issues of race. I wish more DUers would follow her lead in this area.

She is anything but racist.

can't get any hits on condi's sister... though her comments about the 16th Baptist bombing - when she knew (at least one of) the girls murdered... but that the event really didn't have any effect on her life... ugh!

Condi's sister was or still is, involved with an organization along with Harry Belafonte...the organization was and might still be based in California.

I am looking for the name of it; but I do remember that her sister is a Liberal.

I wish I had kept it on my computer-

Steph

calling her an Aunt Jemima and stuff. I don't think that's right. Deal with her qualifications, not the color of her skin. How is that ever a way to criticize someone in this day and age? Sounds like stuff the KKK came up with 50 years ago. Why can't criticism take place without bringing race into it.

:thumbsup:

just like lesbians can call themselves dykes but when someone else does it's questionable because it's usually not done in love. I read the story when it first came out, but I don't know the guy so I don't know where he was coming from. If Howard Stern said this I'd be offended cause I think he is somewhat racist although he may have a black parent (?? this may have just been a joke, but I don't know...). You just don't know whether the person is authentically talking about Bush tokenism or whether they are just using the political climate in an opportunistic way to make racist comments, if they are white. But like I said, I don't know the dj so I don't know what his motives were.

doesn't make a difference to me--it's still vile crap that has no place in our society. Someone else on this thread brought up Harry Bellafonte, when he called Powell a house slave or something--just as bad; in fact, almost worse -- he should know better just from experience alone.

His experience is probably why he said it.

:hi:

:loveya:

Did you criticize Harry Belafonte for calling Powell a house slave?

That about sums up his last 4 years as an uncle tom.

RL

doesn't necessarily need to be racist in nature. but discussing race with regard to african-americans (like this litigious thread) if you need an answer to that question then you're pretty dense.

Too pompous to count my vote asswipes like condi rice. Come in all shapes,sizes and colors. Bu$h and his equally protected band of maggots insert the race stuff alot on their own fucking accord. They sure cannot defend this war crime against non-white folk in Iraq. Now can they? Oh yes I guess they can. With spoon fed lies from their lap dog media.
Peace
Wildman
Al Gore is My President

I will send David Duke back all of those poorly written pamphlets he's been sending me and I'm taking my Hermann Goering "beefcake" poster off of my wall. Ain't gonna study war no more!

:D

i liked that better.

Skinner had the sig lines disabled, due to high traffic

:hi:

bahahahahahahahaha

I'm glad I wasn't taking a drink of anything when I read that :)

I understand she graduated highschool when she was 15 and college when she was 19. Plus she is a concert Pianist.


With that said.



What is she doing with the chimp?

and is completely lacking in critical thinking skills.

armpit, er, cabinet.

Randi Rhodes said the other day that when you get a certain amount of money the only color that matters to people who would otherwise be labeled bigots is "green". This goes for sexual preference and any other minority status. It's poor people that have to worry about this.

of chevron and she has to look out for it

of Chevron stock worth slightly more than $189,000. I think she is more dangerous because she isn't in it for the oil money, she really believes in this neocon agenda.

Link: http://cbs.marketwatch.com/tools/quotes/person.asp?siteid=mktw&pid=13033

I am black and can tell you that I rarely hear black people saying anything good about Condi Rice. Even her cousin, a civil right attorney, spoke negatively of her. People are angry because the dj is white but similar remarks are made about Rice by black people.

nt

Think of her ideas. Name calling just makes us look bitter and petty IMO. Trash her Ideas but not her personaly IMO.

with she is very well educated? she`s educated alright ,she is smart enough to suck her way to the top of the food chain...you don`t get an oil tanker named after you if you don`t know who to blow....

:hi:

That was raw..

:eyes:

:hi:

Or are you from the lower peninsula of Michigan?

a hiptop. One of those internet do it all gadgets. I am learning to type with my thumbs from exotic locations. I am sitting in a bar right now watching the game and playing around on internet discussion forums. I can multi-task. I just hope I don't say the wrong thing and get booted. It is sort of a pain in the ass to have to make new user names on this thing. So I am treading lightly. No trouble from me.

:hi:

I loathe her doctor ass, but she does

doctorate degrees who have no common sense at all. I don't say that this applies to Rice. She may be very intelligent. However, the people I know with doctorate degrees have no critical thinking ability at all. In fact one has only advanced by sucking up to important people.

and that Machiavellian shrewdness is the most sociopathic form of common sense. So she's an all around threat.

I can't wait til someone gets pics of them in flagrante delecto. It will be all over then. VH-1 showed Laura's face during 'the kiss' it was like stone.

Although I dare say I could do a better job than she has done as the NSA.

It's lame. She is very smart.We disagree with her world view and she with ours,but i wont get in the mud and sling mud balls, or become a shit throwing monkey because i don't like her ideas.To petty and bitter for my tastes.

among many other things.

Intelligence does not denote competence:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/5/92657/22568

http://hnn.us/blogs/comments/2593.html

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/2004/04/08/cond... /

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh111604.html

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_arch...

http://thrasymachus.typepad.com/thras/2004/11/post.html

thanks for the "insightful" post.

How is someone who is a demonstrated lair and a Sovietologist--a country that no longer exists, btw--"qualified" to be Secretary of State? What are her diplomatic credentials? What has she done that makes you think she has the ability to work with world leaders?

Ignoring terrorism for the first 8 month and then lying to the 9/11 commission about the August 6 DPB "Bin Laden determined to strike in US" ...

She might have an education, but she is NOT qualified to be National Security Adviser nor Secretary of State.

She is demonstrably incompetent. That is hardly a qualification. Her main asset to this administration is that they can falsely claim "diversity."

They never heard of diversity of thought.

--IMM

I can assure you that there are plenty of Ph.Ds out there who have no common sense whatsoever.

I was secretary to this guy who was just like Bush.

Always tried intimidation, bully tactics, and couldn't come up with ONE original thought/idea.

And was ALWAYS trying to cop a feel.

they're inadequate.

I call that the Wizard of Oz phenomenon.

Wizard to Scarecrow: Well we can't give you a brain, but we can give you this diploma...

--IMM

Rice's top notch education equated to nothing in a very important position. She is the worst and weakest national sercurity adviser ever!!!

Her high IQ is over shadowed by her crush on *, inexperience and lack of diplomatic skills.

The woman is terrible!

RL

Under George Bush I, Rice was his "expert" on the Soviet Union, but somehow didn't see its imminent collapse coming. And under Bush II, she has done such a bang-up job as National Security Advisor, 19 terrorists were able to sneak into our country, hijack four jumbo jets, and use them as missiles in the worst attack ever on U.S. shores. All the while, the intelligence community showered the junta--er, administration--with warnings of a pending attack, but Rice didn't feel it necessary to disturb the president's vacation with such trifles.

Great job, Condi!

She did nothing as National Security Adviser so why should she get promoted to Sec. of State?

the primary components of who we are as individuals on this earth? How can one attack the ideas (and abysmal actions) of someone like Rice without getting personal?

If people who espouse lying, cheating, war-mongering, double-dealing and wholly immoral ideas - especially those in power - are to be excused on a personal level, we might as well have left Hitler alone.

I use to lurk on an Irish newsgroup for several years and what I learned was illuminating. I watched as over a period of years, the Irish kicked the Irish-Americans off the newsgroup. It wasn't their Irishness they were opposed to, but the fact that they were coming in with American culturisms that weren't, well, Irish.

Point is, to save your own identity, you have to make an effort to define your own culture.

Personally, I wouldn't go as far as the Irish in that newsgroup. I think all races should be supportive of those who can live in both worlds. The problem is, that the "cross-overs" should respect their heritage by putting an end to the hate talk when it eventually comes up in the white circles they are drawn to.

"save" one's "own identity" and "define" their "own culture"?

Second, you hold onto your roots, whatever they are. (And if you're a minority member, you'll know what I mean.) Holding onto those roots also means protecting your heritage whenever someone tries to slam it. Do it politely, of course.

you see the faults in your heritage? And I say that as a non-minority DUer.

will ever get. That, my friend, is where I'm at. I can see faults in both cultures and I'm just craving to meet people like me. It's like we're the Nexus.

I find fault with both (black and white) cultures, and much to admire in both. And I'm not afraid to speak out on the flaws AND the beauty in both, no matter who the audience.

I'd be honored if you count me among the "people like you" you are craving to meet!

I read the thread you indicated, and i must say you were right on the money.

Maybe you are anti-ass kissers! They come in any color. Believe me, no one likes them!

fuck who ever thinks it`s not your right to say what you think. looks like some don`t like your bitch`n cause she`s black- all i can say is-what the fuck is there problem??

Because I can't fucking stand Rice or Blackwell, either! And you know who else makes me sick? Thomas, Keyes, Gonzales, and Chao. Far as I'm concerned, they can all go to hell!

I think it applies to "count the lies a" , also

I've had my own experiences of being called a racist for opposing Banfield's attempt to rewrite California laws to dumb down our process for allowing foreign veterinarians to be able to practice here. Their aim to change the law is so that they can get compliant labor for their corporate vet clinics because we veterinarians don't want to work for a corporation who tells you exactly how you may practice, but they called us racist when we opposed this.

I went on a rant and sent that out to all the legislators deciding this issue - how dare they accuse me of racism when they refuse to place clinics in the very minority districts in California that they claim they serve. They dropped that racism charge like a hot potato.There's always a way to turn the racism charge on its head when its coming from a republican or corporation because you can bet that its in fact the accusor who is the real racist.

Since you started a whole separate thread about this, I guess I'm free to put my two cents in:

I found your comments to be in poor taste and offensive, though I undrestand where the passion and intensity comes from, and I don't judge you to be less of a human being - just a selective instance of poor taste in the heat of the moment.

Thank you and have a nice day :hi:
Sel

if you are offended in anything I've said, that's your problem -- not mine.

You see, I'm fucking tired of Republicans parading incompetent blacks out to tout their "diversity".

It disgusts me.

And I will continue to speak out.

The "ignore" function can be your friend.

That is a little strong. She is inteligent. She is just hanging with the wrong crowd.

and watch her 9/11 Commission testimony.

Some food for thought:

http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/5/5/92657/22568

http://hnn.us/blogs/comments/2593.html

http://www.reachm.com/amstreet/archives/2004/04/08/condi-rice-at-the-911-commission/

http://www.dailyhowler.com/dh111604.html

http://www.j-bradford-delong.net/movable_type/2004_archives/000533.html

http://thrasymachus.typepad.com/thras/2004/11/post.html

I didn't say she wasn't wrong. Adolph Hitler was inteligent.

but that quality hardly constitutes "competence"

Hell, Lucky Luciano for Joint Chiefs of Staff!!!!!

Meyer Lansky for Treasury Secretary.

Buggsy Siegal for Attorney General.

is "I didn't know" and "I wasn't aware", then she was ultra-compentent.

And now she's been rewarded with a nice lateral promotion so she can inflict her competence directly on our foreign relations. Swell.

Even though she grew up in Birmingham, Alabama, Her mother taught music and science at an all-black high school, and her father pastored Birmingham's Westminster Presbyterian Church, was dean of the historically black Stillman College, and later the vice chancellor of the University of Denver. While her father was vice chancellor, she entered the University of Denver at the age of 15 (quell suprise) - which would not be very unusual for children of University professors or administration - especially in the areas of Liberal Arts or Social Sciences.
It may sound snobbish, but most high schoolers who carry straight "A"'s in a good school district can probably skip the junior and senior years and go straight into college in those fields - witness the several public school districts that teach first or second year college history, english, and social sciences to juniors and seniors who qualify.

I applaud the fact that she was able to become a scholar and use her background and education qualifications to leverage positions she wanted to take. That she's interested in furthering the educational opportunities of the disadvantaged is admirable. That she's politically astute, I have no doubt. That she knows how research, pick out information and compile it to make a convincing presentation or to justify a decision, I also have no doubt.

But I do doubt her wisdom (which is far different than "intelligence") and her talent and competancy to actually lead. Her actions are those of someone who's lived in an ivory tower all her life, a true academic, whatever her policies are.

From what I can see, her main problem working in the public world is that is that Leadership and Wisdom are not learned, they're inherent to a person's "core". All that education means nothing if there is no experiance in dealing with the real world of the situation or position one puts themself in.
IMO, Ms. Rice would be better suited as Secretary of Education. She has never been a diplomat, she had never worked "in the field" on any sort of National Security - all her experiance previous to taking a position in the Cheney administration had been in the sterile labratory of the University or the corporate boardroom.
And the glaring proof that she cannot learn from her mistakes - not to mention cannot admit them - makes her lack of leadership and wisdom obvious.

She may be qualified on paper, but her actions show she is not qualified in reality. And that has nothing to do with race or gender.

Haele

Right-wing black man (Clarence Thomas)
Right-wing black woman (Condi Rice)
Right-wing Hispanic man (Alberto Gonzales)
Right-wing Hispanic woman (Linda Chavez)
Right-wing Asian woman (Elaine Chao)
Right-wing Native American man (Ben Nighthorse Campbell)
Right-wing white male Democrat (Zell Miller)

Did I miss anyone who has contributed to the Republicans' ongoing quest for diversity? :eyes:

You're very right, my opinion is just my opinion. I don't have to like everything you say or the way you say it to respect your contribution. I'd hope you'd feel the same toward me. I'm sure I've said things you've not agreed with over the years.

Maybe I would feel differently if I found something to like in Rice. But I don't, so its hard for me to get too "riled up" even about comments that I felt were in poor taste.

Sel

because it was a white disk jokey who made the remark. I wonder who those people are. Perhaps Republicans. I have heard Condi Rice being refereed to in a derogatory manner by black people. They do not believe she is the best that the black community can offer. There is not such strong negative feeling about Colin Powell. As I said in an earlier post, I rarely hear any black person expressing a fondness for Ms. Rice.

...embarrassed Rice at an NAACP awards dinner?

They were both being honored that night. When it Was MacGruder's turn to speak, he spent some time discussing his comic strip, then said something to the effect of, "I don't know why the Association put me in the same room with Condoleeza Rice. I don't like the president and I don't like his war."

There was a collective gasp from the crowd. Hee-hee-hee!

I've watched a couple of his speeches and he's even funnier than his strip his...and that's pretty fucking funny :)

She's the reason they were able to control Powell with threats of dismissal. (IMO)

The Buxh Admin is not diverse... Anyone of color is kept under strict supervision for compliance and subservience.

"ass-kissing blacks" and "ass-kissing whites"....then, you just might be a racist.

The particular felcher in question happens to be black and a woman; these are therefore appropriate identifying characteristics to use when speaker of this person in particu;ar. It is not necessary to denounce all at once, you know: despicable people can be denounced one at a time....

"Can't nobody here play this game?"

And, I am new here, so I don't know all the particulars of individual posters. But, I'm learning.

After reading further down the postings, I tend to believe that they were used that way.

I always thought she should have resigned after 911. She was in charge of security. She failed miserably.


As to the Aunt Jemima Uncle Tom thing. I do feel those are terms best left for black people to use and not white people.

As for hating her and Powell and the rest for being a party to the destruction of the United States and the rest of the world, they desrve all the derision we can heap upon them, short of out and out racist words which I will not put in this message.


Calling CatWoman racist for her comments about them is similar to calling people anti-semitic because they disagree with the policies of Israel. Not a perfect analogy but similar enough.

if she were white. That's the point.

...how as a black woman (you and she) does she disappoint you that is different than if either of you was not a black woman? Sorry, if my assumptions are incorrect.

Growing up black in white Amurikkka, one learns quickly how to become the "exception" in the eyes of the dominant culture. Sleeeza has perfected the art. :puke: :puke: :puke:

May she ROT in the public square for all to see.

but as a black woman myself, I'm even more pissed at Condi. I expected better of her as a representative of black women (whether we want her there or not). Yeah, she's a repub, but that doesn't mean she has to be an incompetent idiot. Colin Powell, someone I also had higher expectations for, disappointed me as well. So, yeah she offends me more as a black woman. I expect better of her.

...and since I am neither black nor a woman, I surely can't argue with what you said. Thank you for responding.

expressed exactly the sentiments I hear when blacks are discussing Rice and Powell. A lot of people agreed with Harry Belafonte.

I am not a minority but I am female and the fact that she is female and a soul-less creature disturbs me more. I do expect better and it is a grave disappointment that she chooses to wrap herself up with this evil. I have similar visceral reactions to Liddy Dole, Kay Hutchinson and those slimey female republican pundits who are a blight upon our gender.

all the other white shrews in this admin cause she is letting herself be used as a gay person to further aims of this administration AGAINST gay people.

What is the word for this, a person furthering their own ambition while at the same time supporting the policies that damn the population of which they are a minority? "token" is not a good word because it is too passive, folks like this are actively letting themselves be used (and USING, I would add, this admin's desire to look "diverse") to further an image that is anything but the truth with regards to this adminstration. The closest thing I can come up with is prostitute, but that isn't even strong enough.

"Smooth Operator" by Sade comes to mind

Cabinent life
with my lover-boy
from post to post
I easily coast
on blood for oil

No need to ask
I'm a smooth operator
smooth
opeRATor

they say I'm a token
an uncle Tom
I say principles don't matter as
long as I'm getting mine...

but that might not be 100% on target either.

she ain't no wino under a bridge, she's goin up up up

Maybe David Brock could answer this question, he was kind of in the same denial.

Maybe Condi is an MJ fan and she "aint gonna spend her life bein' a color." I don't know.

For some people their amibition and career goals are a much bigger part of themselves than other characterstics. And they have worked hard and gotten ahead and they feel they owe nothing to no one.

:wow:

I'm sorry we have gotten off on the wrong foot. That's my fault. I see the point that you are making now and at least attempted to address it in Post #60.

Not sure how the "self-hatred" (to describe Mary Cheney) comment has gotten you mad. Help me out?

Being neither black nor a woman I could never know how much she would offend you.


But as a human being, she offends the hell out of me, particularly if the comment she made about the bombing of the church that killed the four little girls did not affect her is true. That shameful act should affect all of us.

Shit, I wasn't born then, hell I wasn't even a twinkle in my mama's eye, but that still pisses me off. I'm pissed the one of the men responsible died after only two years of jail, many years free, and in a relatively peaceful manner. :grr:

Perhaps you could start another thread asking to be further insulted.

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Hate cats or something.

You sure got the provebial bee in your bonnet, without making one useful statement about this issue.


So tell us what you really think, please.

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she's not at all qualified, she's a lying flunky and a dangerous ideologue with a hidden agenda. I don't think she has any concept of truth. I honestly think she's been lying so much that she literally doesn't know what is true and what is not.

I mean Chao as labor secretary, and then this Spellford wife for eductation secretary, maybe Ron Paige is setting the requirements for cabinent posts:

wanted: stupid dirty girl?

just asking

... I believe she is well educated, but it is possible for a person to be educated beyond their intelligence. Additionally, her passion for embracing this neocon agenda frightens the hell out of me. It is like people who will stand there and tell you that Teresa Kerry is a drunk and Laura Bush didn't cause a fatal traffic accident. They get their news from one source and choose to look no further.

except wiping bush's ass. And I don't see how Catwoman said anything racist. I mean just because she's black we can't call her a lying hosebag? She looks like gutter trash to me. Bizzaro version of Pretty Woman and she's a f***ing liar and traitor to the human race.

I do not care if you are a black, white, red, yellow, blue, or shocking pink, if you do a poor job in the position to which you have been appointed, expect to be called on the carpet for it. Condi, Blackwell, Junior and Senior Powell, and Clarence Thomas do not get a pass because they are African American. Now, if you are calling them something like Aunt Jemima or something else inapproriate that is one thing. But expecting them to perform to a certain standard is simply good citizenship. So, Catwoman, continue to have the courage to speak out against ALL the BushCo rotten apples and their supporters.

Kiss up to republicans so that they can climb the professional ladder...never realizing that they are tools.

You're not a racist. To say that someone is inherently good only because of their skin color is racist. Pointing out flaws is not.

That they "never realize". I think they do, I think it's kind of a quid pro quo, I have something you want (minority status), you have something I want (access up the ladder) and we'll make a deal and everybody wins.

I don't know if they realize it or not.

whoever messes with my CW messes with ME! And hear-hear to Post #40 AND the original post. Here are MY thoughts on GONZALEZ, which would apply to anybody in post #40:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.ph...

Yes, (the arguments go) 1) presidents (in this case "presidents") are given leeway in choosing their own cabinets and 2) what-part-of-majority/minority numbers don't we understand. I like better what others have posted, that we are the loyal OPPOSITION, or ought to be.

I media blasted (200) e-mails and got exactly ONE auto-reply, from BIDEN. Anyway, fwiw, the first item is the e-ltr and the second is a neat link, stopalbertogonzales.com that also contains a media blast mechanism.

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The supposed Liberal half of the pundits on CNN’s The Capital Gang (11-13) have already sounded the retreat regarding the nomination of Alberto Gonzalez for Attorney General with the words, “He’s got a great personal story, only one of eight siblings to go to college, and he maintains contact with them!”

While the Republican majority makes it unlikely that the nomination can be blocked, Gonzalez’s record, ideology, and role as Bush waterboy need thorough exposure and opposition. But the Democrats have to stay focused on those things and not allow the process to be framed on the basis of “ethnicity,” as in, “the first Hispanic, blah blah…”

During the ESTRADA hearings the beleaguered Democratic leaders actually stood firm and eventually won a rare victory, perhaps surprising even themselves, although the deciding factor might have been Estrada’s possible personal baggage instead of ideology. And almost all of the Hispanic organizations joined in opposing him based on his ideology.

With Gonzalez, the Republicans are springing yet again their “ethnic“ or “racial” trap that started with George I’s use of Clarence Thomas: Nominating a member of a minority group, perhaps not too bright or accomplished, but who toes the Conservative line, and, most of all, stymies the Democrats by their having to oppose somebody from one of their traditional constituencies. The payload of the “ethnic” gambit is to derail the vetting process, keeping attention away from the nominee’s record and ideological fanaticism.

During the Estrada hearings, Orrin Hatch was all over the media with a Shirley Temple pout, saying innocently, “How can the Democrats oppose this well qualified Hispanic?”

The answer then should have been, as now, “It is NOT about the ethnicity. That would be racism and quotas. It’s about the ideology and his record.”

This link covers his whole career: http://www.americanprogress.org/site/pp.asp?c=biJRJ8OVF ...

This link covers his role in the torture policy: http://lawofwar.org/Torture_Memos_analysis.htm (Home Page: http://lawofwar.org / )

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Link with e-addy blast list
http://www.stopalbertogonzales.com /

:D

:hi:

fail to counter their arguments. I know we are smarter than this, at least on DU we are, but why are our leaders unable to but that reasoning to rest with a couple of succinct sentences...(forgive me if they did and the media didn't cover it, that would be the surprise of the century)

....prejudice or discrimination based on the belief that race is the primary factor determining human traits and abilities. Racism includes the belief that genetic or inherited differences produce the inherent superiority or inferiority of one race over another. In the name of protecting their race from "contamination," some racists justify the domination and destruction of races they consider to be either superior or inferior. Institutional racism is racial prejudice supported by institutional power and authority used to the advantage of one race over others.

If anyone has been practicing racism, in my opinion it has been George Bush who after appointing Colin Powell as Secretary of State, then by ignorning Powell's advice about waiting to attack Iraq, placed this nation and our troops in harms way. Then there was more indication of pressure on getting Powell out of that position in favor of Donald Rumsfeld's policies. Now Bush appoints Condi Rice in that position after she proved to be totally incompetent as National Security Advisor. I see a very clear agenda on the part of Bush's actions and selections.

At this point in the thread a reminder of the true definition of racism was necessary and your point about GWB is too true.

:)

They're just out for themselves...It's all about "what's in it for me" for them. Not unlike a lot of people out there... Dispicable, but not surprising...Me!Me!Me! You can go "f*** yourself!"

People that kiss the asses of those that hate, use and toss them away are just in a league of their own, they'll get their comeuppance

One of the odder elements of our current situation is the alacrity with which the right has learned to take up the outward trappings of leftist critiques, and so wrap themselves in a mantle of victimization. Criticize Rice? Well then, clearly you are a racist who opposes her having a position solely because she is black, and probably because she is a woman. So who are you to criticize the active racism that is the basis of rightist voting strength in this country since the days of Goldwater, or to decry the raw deals bult into the structure of our society for those who are not white and prosperous?

We live in interesting times, my friend, and face a dangerous and skillful enemy....

and the enemy is out in full force today.

:hi:

What's so racist about pointing that out?

and the person who called me that name had his post deleted, and has gone on to post several pro-bush threads.

go figure!!

(please don't fling watermelon and chitlins at me for pointing that out :D)

INCOMING!!!!!!!!!!!

:)

:)

I have no way of knowing how people like Condoleeza Rice, Colin Powell, and Alberto Gonzales are perceived in their respective "communities." Does the obvious (to me) pandering attempt to erase the lack of diversity in the repuke party by propping up extremely conservative minorities actually fool anyone in the minority communities?

what EXACTLY does her race or skin color have to do with anything? i really miss the point on this whole discussion.

if she's a beast, she's a beast. WTF is a BLACK beast???

she deserves to be fired, prosecuted and jailed. none of which has anything to do with her race or skin color, or gender for that matter.

I used to live in that rose-colored world in which we (white folks of the liberal persuasion) could comfortably believe that racial differences really were all about the level of melonin (sp?) in one's skin. One good interracial potluck, a little Kumbaya, and everything could be right with the world, right?

Then I woke up. And started learning. And talking. And leading - this last one I found I had to do in my own, white, privileged community, where I could be most effective in pushing lasting, social change.

It is EXPERIENCE that counts far more than race - but one's race in this country has a lot to do with the experiences life brings (though we all have free will to REACT to experiences in our own way).

Hell, yes, I hold people like Condoleeza Rice to higher standards than others in the administration. Because I know she knows better. Her parents know better. Most of us know better than her performance indicates, don't we? Call me a racist (or reverse racist, or whatever other PC term is being trotted out these days), but I believe black folks on the whole are a heck of a lot more in tune to what's what when it comes to our country's leadership than the rest of us. I don't have any empirical or academic proof, just years of being blessed with friends of all backgrounds and ideology and colors, shapes and sizes - and I'll bet the farm every time on what the majority of my black friends tell me.

So I expect better from Condoleeza. Sue me.

I have cursed Condoleeza Rice in front of all my friends, black and white, and it is the whites who invariably defend her. And why? Because they are ashamed of the past - as we should be - but not brave enough to disconnect completely with it. So they are stuck being mealy mouth apologists for mediocre individuals who are terrible representatives of their race, their gender, and of all of us.

Not me. No thanks. I'm with Catwoman.

well...this is real productive.

Have I told you lately how much I love Woody Allen?

I'll say that much for him.

Thanks for the flamebait post.

BTW: The Wizard of Oz will be on in a few minutes.

I understand it appeals to people with no brains.

Along with 51 percent of America...

Satire, acknowledging that someone is evil regardless of Politically-Correct Police "sensitivities," or labelling a pathetic tool a freaking tool for crying out loud - isn't it amazing that the "right" can say the cruelest things and then turn around and say it's a "joke" and everyone's supposed to look the other way.

Do what works.

...called Colin Powell an "Uncle Tom" or a "House Slave"?

Would that be racist?



This excerpt was taken from a transcript of a Larry King Show where Belafonta explained his references. The entire transcript is worth reading:
http://archives.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0210/15/lkl.00.html

I hate Rice and Blackwell because they're ass-kissing morons, not because they're black.

your cats on the other hand :scared:

:P

do you know how much I love your sick ass????

:hi:

it's the rest of me I'm worried about.

:loveya:

Fuck Anthrax Coulter and her skanky fucking bullshit.

but I believe that those two have been referred as house slaves before.
The NAACP is or was being investigated by the white house for being a nonpartisan organization and showing partisanship during the election, so they are between a rock and a hard place right now.

n/t

I think PBS repeats its show on weekends and maybe you can catch it if interested. IT is well done.


Bill Moyers on NOW---is giving a great report on why Europeans are shacking their heads at the appointment of Condi to head the DOD.
---says her credibility is in question!!
going through the whole 9/11 comminion--her dismissing the waring -12 separate occassions the Richard Clarke sent to her saying that airplains could be used as weapon.--
--the fact that on Aug 6 Pres was warned-but she did not convinene a meeting.
Despite all the above (lots more)--Condi was kept on as Nat. Sec. Advisor!! (made a good point of this).
then talking of how she played a role in talking up the 'evidence' for going to war ----the uranium tubes--bring Cheney into this. How the Pres. used this information. Dep. of Energy has disputed this information.
And 'just last month'--nytimes said Condi knew of this despute!!!!! (Condi clip on tv denying this). Irresponsible or not telling the truth!!
WPost-last week--saying Condi not good NS advisor and very Partison!!
Also Pittsberg Gazettte had article last week slaming her (i did not see this one)

Sephen J. Hadley now will replace her (Bill refered to Hadley as Condi's "alter-ego").
Bill then talked of how loyality replaces competance.

also, catch what they are saying about her on Moyers' discussion board.

It AIN'T pretty:

http://discussions.pbs.org/viewtopic.pbs?t=16363&sid=1bef7ec32a0168027effad406ab878ba

...for high government positions? You might respond that you're equally critical of white and hispanic Bush appointees who are equally incompetent or whose policies you disagree with. Dismissing legitimate criticism as "racism" is REALLY self defeating.

I never, ever said that their race had anything to do with "qualifications".

I'm voicing my disgust of them being used as props by an administration that so transparently disses their and my race. They seem to wear that as a badge of honor.

Obviously, You and I are not on the same page.

Perhaps you need to go to the link I provided for more clarification.

My comments were meant to echo yours-- not as a criticism. I said that an appointee's race has nothing to do with questions about their qualifications, i.e. that questioning their fitness to perform the job is NOT racism (unless race is used as the basis for questioning their fitness, of course).

on edit: the question in the subject line of my original reply was rhetorical, and directed at anyone invoking the racism argument, not at you.

seems I'm the one who misunderstood.

paraphrasing...

"Always seems to be on the defensive, doesn't like it when anyone disagrees with her. I can't see how that's going to help when dealing world leaders"

Spot on.

It is sad.

I agree with you Cat,

Sending a whole lot of Roses and fine Wine, and 3 pigs too, all cooked just the way your taste buds like um. Have a luau.

Come, we go drink, laugh, eat, sing, laugh; and can I have the first and last Dance....?? Please......

anytime!!!!!! :hi:

got your message late Friday -- will call you tomorrow afternoon :loveya:

LOL

:bounce: :toast: :hug:

Another "I'm not a racist, am I?" thread.

read again.