OMGAAAD!! Porter Goss says he is not qualified for CIA post!!!

You have got to see this short video. I thought I could'nt be Wowed anymore.


http://homepage.mac.com/duffyb/nobush/iMovieTheater271.html

I don't know why so many people don't know about it, but it's not your fault. Thank the "liberal" media! ;)

Put what he said in the proper context: what job did he say he wasn't qualified for? While I agree that he shouldn't have the director's position, it's distinct from what he said her, isn't it?

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For the sake of the thread here, can you quote the question or statement he responded to, and then what he said. I believe that, for the sake or accuracy, he may have been speaking about a specific position, perhaps analyst.

or technical skills. Bush says he knows the CIA inside and out.

If he is not qualified to "work there" how could he know it inside and out?

:shrug:

to something specific. It's about a specific position. But let me explain why I think that this is not particularly important. In the CIA, there are folks with their PhDs in Soviet studies, Chinese studies, Latin American studies, behavioral studies, nuclear sciences, and on and on. Clearly, there has never been -- and never could be -- a person who is qualified for every job at the agency who serves as director. Not one. Ever. It would seem less important to focus on something that really involves taking one tiny statement completely out of context, than to focus on the more serious issues at hand.

There is no question that Porter Goss has at the very least the skills to meet the job description. He in no way stands out as intellectually or educationally incapable of being the director. His resume does not disqualify him because of lack of ability. And no one at the agency would take the little film clip, out of context at that, and pretend it is proof otherwise.

Why Porter Goss is perhaps the last human being on earth who should be considered as appropriate for the job is just as easy to identify. He has a history at the agency that goes back about 40 years. One might consider a detailed study -- if the Senate Intelligence Committee dared -- would expose exactly what his role has been. It might not be the time to go back to the era he wants to bring back.

Second, his more recent "cover" work in the congress showed a partisonship that he simply would be incapable of rising above. His funny little memo to CI employees would support that. Further, his gutting the agency of 2nd and 3rd tier people is a serious error that puts the national security in a compromised state.

There are plenty of serious reasons to oppose his serving as CI Director. I believe that he is terrible, and that he was selected because he has the ability to purposely damage the good that the CIA has done, is doing, and could do; further, he will encourage all of the things that are bad about the agency. Those are all more serious than a short clip taken out of context.

is weird. Goss says that he could not work at the CIA; a very general statement. He does not specify a particular field. It does sound like he means in general he is not qualified to work there.

What stuck with me was how he said he doesn't have the "cultural background". Wouldn't that be a important as the CIA head?


I see your point about not being qualified for all positions. Did Goss ever work there? And if he did then how come he is not qualified now?

I assumed you did. Yes, he worked there, from around the early 1960s. Although it is not a secret he worked there, his assignments remain largely unknown. He worked with some of the more brutal fellows in Latin America. It is unlikely that he has ever severed ties with the agency. There is plenty of reason to assume he has been involved in various capacities straight through.

The part about "cultural background" had to do with the Middle East. His specialties are Central America. One can assume that CI will be involved in Central American activities in the upcoming four years under his direction.

I had posted information on Tuesday 11-16 regarding Goss's choice for chief of the clandestine "directorate of operations." It is an "unnamed" former chief of American espionage operations in Latin America. This fellow was removed from that post in 1997 for activities that a CI inspector general described as showing "a remarkable lack of judgement." Specifically, he went to bat for a convicted narcotics trafficer in the Dominican Republic.( See NY Times article on 11-16 by Douglas Jehl.)

Think about this information. Goss has the background and ability that the Bush administration might need to run wonderful programs like the first President Bush did in the Iran-Contra scandal era. Please believe me that he is qualified in the areas of education and background. But his other "negatives" make him the last person on earth that should be in that position.

with the recent assasination of that prosecutor in Venezuela.


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1004686&mesg_id=1008641


Thanks for the effort. It would have been nice to hear the specific question the interviewer asked. I sent the vid link to David Letterman. I hope he plays it.

that results of his taking this directorship. He is representative of the worst period in CI activities in Central America.

assasination, but with Goss being in the CIA then I can't help but wonder if he is somebody who knew about the agency's involvement.

represented a coup. It wasn't. JFK being elected was the coup. Nov 22 was the system adjusting to get back on track.

Earlier today, I was conversing with one of the people I respect the most on DU, about how the things we sometimes refer to as "conspiracies," but perhaps are the parts of business as usual that the "general public" is shocked by. There are large numbers of people who we never hear about. They are in positions of power, but have little or no visibility.

In an activity where an illegal public action occures, small circles of individuals, isolated from the other small circles, have distinct responsibilities. They are somewhat aware of the larger operation, but not to an extent that they could ever go public with more than a tiny fragment.

Were any people connected with 11-22 also connected with CI? Sure. But that wasn't the main group. In a very real sense, Man X in the movie JFK explains it best in the scene in the park. Would people like Bush and Goss have been able to figure out what happened? I assume if men like LBJ and Tip O'Neil could, they could.

comes in spurts with long interludes of one form of tyranny or another.

In the strictest sense JFK being elected by a popular vote is not a coup, but he did commit a coup on the fascists. But it is an interesting play on words.

your posts on DU. I am related to one of the four septs of O'Braonain (the Co. Kerry) and have a connection with Joseph Brennan, the Irish Free State's first secretary of finance, and so when I see the name "Brennan" anywhere I look closely.

If you look closely at who JFK was, and put him in the context of his family history, it was an incredible thing that he got elected. And while we should always take care not to create a JFK myth that is different than the real flesh and blood man, he was the most distinctly "different" person ever elected to the American presidency. You might enjoy Victor Lasky's "JFK:the Man and the Myth," a book that reflects the "system's" hatred for JFK when he was alive. (Kennedy got a kick out of the book, and used to give it to friends.)

Lasky detailed how JFK was a threat to the established economic and political system. It's funny to note how the book opens, with two quotes:

"For the greatest enemy of the truth is very often not the lie -- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic." -- JFK at Yale, 6-11-62

"There is nothing more difficult to carry out, nor more doubtful of success, nor more dangerous to handle, than to initiate a new order of things." -- Machiavelli

I can assure you that JFK's election was indeed a coup. Read Lasky's ugly book to see how the "establishment" recognized that he was a threat to their system of rule. The book is an eye-opener about the wide-spread hatred of JFK by those who believed he had taken power in a coup. They were determined that he would not win re-election.

but then that's the beauty of it, you see? He was promoted because he was incompetent or unqualified. It's been a trend that starts at the top. I mean, Bush was completely unqualified for the job, has failed miserably at every turn, so he was re-elected, see? It's not supposed to make any sense.

I think he also said he wasn't too partisan for the job. Ha.

Can I still work there...??? :silly:

Porter is up to his four eyes in Murder Inc stuff -- including the Bay of Pigs Thing. Note Porter's got his arm on Felix "Max Gomez" Rodriguez, the CIA agent who helped kill Che Guevara.

For those new to the subject:

Operation 40

On 11th December, Colonel J. C. King, chief of CIA's Western Hemisphere Division, sent a confidential memorandum to Allen W. Dulles, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. King argued that in Cuba there existed a "far-left dictatorship, which if allowed to remain will encourage similar actions against U.S. holdings in other Latin American countries."

As a result of this memorandum Dulles established Operation 40. It obtained this name because originally there were 40 agents involved in the operation. Later this was expanded to 70 agents. The group was presided over by Richard Nixon. Tracy Barnes became operating officer of what was also called the Cuban Task Force. The first meeting chaired by Barnes took place in his office on 18th January, 1960, and was attended by David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Jack Esterline, and Frank Bender.

On 4th March, 1960, La Coubre, a ship flying a Belgian flag, exploded in Havana Bay. It was loaded with arms and ammunition that had been sent to help defend Cuba's revolution from its enemies. The explosion killed 75 people and over 200 were injured. Fabian Escalante, an officer of the Department of State Security (G-2), later claimed that this was the first successful act carried out by Operation 40.

One member, Frank Sturgis claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents... We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time."

Over the next few years Operation 40 worked closely with several anti-Castro Cuban organizations including Alpha 66. Bernard L. Barker, Frank Sturgis, Tosh Plumlee, William C. Bishop and David Morales also joined the project. Cuban figures used by the Operation 40 included Antonio Veciana, Luis Posada, Orlando Bosch, Roland Masferrer and Eladio del Valle.

SOURCE:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKoperation40.htm



This photograph was taken in a nightclub in Mexico City on 22nd January, 1963. It is believed that the
men in the photograph are all members of Operation 40. Closest to the camera on the left is Felix
Rodriguez. Next to him is Porter Goss and Barry Seal. Tosh Plumlee is attempting to hide his face
with his coat. Others in the picture are Alberto 'Loco' Blanco (3rd right) and Jorgo Robreno (4th right).

There are more pictures of him with Poppy in the White House. He is linked to Trafficante and Marcello and they are linked to Ruby.....etc.

After reading McCoy's and Valentines books on the drug trade there is no doubt that Kennedy improving the US's relationship with Cuba incensed these thugs who operated their drug, gun running, and prostitution rings out of Cuba. Castro threw a big wrench in their plans.

They murdered Kennedy and they are taking care of their own now.

It's been thus since 22 November 1963, President Kennedy refused going down their path to death. JFK refused to start World War III over the Bay of Pigs, the Cuban Missile Crisis, Operation Northwoods. After he had ordered the withdrawal of US troops from South Vietnam, these refusals cost him his life. Then the CIA and Porter and Poppy tried to do all they could to pin JFK's murder on Castro!

Death is the Bush family business. Porter Goss licks their bottoms and smiles.

anti-semite etc. but I look at what his kids: John,Bobby, Ted are DOING. They fought and died to make the world a better place. Bobby was organized crimes nemesis and, IMO, they killed him. On his death bed Trafficante said that they shouldn't have hit JFK, they should have gotten Bobby.

Kennedys put their country ahead of themselves.

Bushes put their Swiss bank accounts ahead of their country.

It must be how they define "Service."

BTW: Do you think the Mob was behind Dallas?

which is largely a history of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics. He corroborates and ads to alot of Alfred McCoy's work. The CIA subverted the FBN's attempts to reign in Trafficante and in the process allowed drugs to flow from Cuba to the US. Trafficante was the CIA's point man in Cuba before Castro.


IMO Trafficante and Marcello controlled the mob hit and the Ruby hit on Oswald. Marcello's Carousel Motel shared prostitutes with Ruby's Carousel Lounge. I think Poppy Bush was the link between the mob and the CIA.

The thing that is so obvious when you research the material is how furious the mob was at the Kennedy's both for trying to take them down in the courts and in trying to improve relations with Cuba. It was a short time after JFK moderated his stance with Castro that he was assasinated. Then there is the bizarre campaign by the CIA to get Castro and Kennedy firing Dulles and threateing to disband the CIA. The CIA took over the country.

Oh well. Must pay well. I'd take it too.

Should have been a huge story but dems let it die as always.