France New U.S. Enemy 31% Americans Say

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41507

French nation is U.S. enemy?
Most Americans have bad opinion of country, almost 1/3 say it's threat
Posted: November 18, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern

A new poll reveals most Americans do not hold the nation of France in high regard, with almost a third believing the European country is an enemy of the U.S. in the war on terror.

According to the survey by Rasmussen Reports, 57 percent of American voters have an unfavorable view of France, with 31 percent calling Jacques Chirac's country an enemy. A plurality – 43 percent – believe France's role is somewhere in between ally and enemy.


City of Paris has suffered drop in tourism due to Americans' attitudes

When presidential politics were taken into account, the poll shows by a 77-to-11 percent margin, those who voted for President Bush have an unfavorable opinion of France. Kerry voters are more evenly divided – 42 percent of Kerry voters have a favorable opinion of that nation, 35 percent unfavorable. In addition, 43 percent of Bush voters called France the enemy, while only 17 percent of Kerry supporters shared that view.

The numbers stand in stark contrast to feelings about Great Britain. Seventy-eight percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of Tony Blair's country while only 9 percent hold an unfavorable view. More than four out of five Americans – 83 percent – view the UK as an ally in the war on terror.

Rasmussen says Germany, Russia, and the United Nations fall in between the extremes. Forty-four percent of Americans have a favorable opinion of the U.N. while 42 percent have an unfavorable view. Thirty-three percent believe the U.N. is our ally in the terror war, and 17 percent see it as our enemy.

Again, there's a big difference between Bush and Kerry backers, as 64 percent of Bush supporters have an unfavorable view of the U.N., while 68 percent of Kerry fans hold a positive view of the global body.

Forty percent of voters have a favorable opinion of Germany, while 34 percent have an unfavorable view. For Russia, the numbers are 33 percent favorable and 38 percent unfavorable.

france is one of the biggest sharers of antiterrorist intelligence with the us...

Why do we need France? We have a new and improved CIA.

Every other sentence mentions France in a negative light.

stand it. I look at people now and wonder....

Are they just looking for enemies! Jeeeeeeeeeeez

Sidebar says where I can get Hannity's book--does that tell you anything?

That or 30% Cognitively Dissonant.

How many people didn't vote and how many of thos 51% were actually cast for Kerry and not Bush?

But I would put the non-voters in the stupid column.

:scared:

retaliate.

This nation deserves it.

fascist state anyway. (that sounds like true reynolds wrap tinfoil, but what has happened is merely the groundwork - foot in the door stuff. Other DUers have made more elaborate posts, so I won't reinvent the proverbial wheel.)

I love the french! they give us cool clothes, and cool foods and cool words. granted some of the french are a little snobbish, but hey, they can have a little national pride too right?

On the corporate level, I suspect fear of the Euro as competitor is behind this idiocy. This is transmitted through the media to all the boobs in Dimwit Land, and they pick up on it.

though I understand that a lot of Americans think that Belgium is part of France, if they've even heard of it, that is.

I want to move to Provence.

And to think we wouldn't have 'won' our revolutionary war without France (whose entry was managed by the real revolutionary hero -- Ben Franklin). Maybe France should take the Statue of Liberty back -- we don't deserve it.

George Washington would have been hung and Benedict Arnold would not be a traitor.

Also, did you know the Brits ended slavery long before the US, with one reason purportedly being that they wanted the US to look bad, what with its Constitution and other bologna documents that purported freedom for all, but didn't.

Admiral de Grasse and Admiral de Barras and a good bit of the French navy, and French General de Rochambeau and his soldiers for the final coup de grace against the British. Remember Cornwallis' second Lt. knew who had beat him and tried to surrender to French General Comte de Rochambeau, but Rochambeau refused and pointed him to General Washington.   (wanted to stick it to the English I suppose.)

What ungrateful ingrates we've become!

entirely based on self-interest, not common purpose. Had state bankruptcy and a domestic revolution not intervened, the French would have continued to try and stitch Louisiana, Quebec, British Canada and the US into Les Etats-Unis Americain-Francais. Imagine - Old Glory with fleurs-de-lys instead of stars ...

i cant wait until i go to france next year...

What's going to happen in 4 years? France, Germany and Canada as the new axil of evil?

god save us

F the 'murcan fascists!

Some country has to uphold these great ideals. With the US returning to the dark ages, what better nation than France?

It's BushCo... FOX and Bill O'Reilly. They have most people thinking that Iraqi people, not Sauds, flew the 9/11 planes. They never mention the Anthrax letters. It's worked. The people are duped and doped.

come out sound more like marketing propaganda for the fascists?

I get a dose every time CNN news comes on my Air America channel because they are big on Gallup Polls which are so skewed and outrageous I wouldn't be surprised if my car radio is covered with spit.

The one that the so called FRENCH PEOPLE helped us in!

WW1, WWII and the cold war? I think the revolutionary debt has been paid, in full, with interest.

Unless you don't think Hitler posed any sort of challenge or threat to the U.S. The same could be said about WWI and the Cold War. The U.S. wouldn't have been helping to preserve democracy if Britain and France hadn't have stepped up to the plate first.

with the francophobes.

but then again the french "never met a terorist they didn't like" LOL

was our enemy, the whistle ass heads would buy it hook ,line and sinker.

enemy. And throw Quebec in there too. :argh:

Northern Ontario, New Brunswick and Nova Scotia too.

*SIGH* Can we order a brain, and supersize it??

Cam

They used to be enemy #1.

--IMM

What could be more subversive?

--IMM

Supersize them, why don't we?

can be so obnoxious when outside our borders - as well as inside - but many of the rich who travel - think people should cater to them - and when they don't they are truly obnoxious

...when I was a student in the sixties. I got to observe many Americans in action, and it was truly embarrassing. They really got pissed when people didn't speak English.

--IMM

and watching americans helped me understand why they treated us that way

before going I had been told how obnoxious french were - I was anxious but after my plane change in ny to go to france - I thought of all the new yorkers and how obnoxious they can be and in your face - and I realized no one could be worse than that - and they weren't - actually most were more helpful -

I do love New Yorkers too - but most won't look at you are give you the time of day on the street - just a very interesting city

Would like to host the UN. The existing building is pretty old and things are shifting a bit. If they donated a new building I wonder what the consensus would be?

they tried to tell us we were fucking up and we didn't listen. I guess everyone that doesn't agree with us is our enemy.

That's what I don't understand. Good God, the entire world now thinks were idiots and we just take it out on one country who had the nerve to speak the truth about how the war would turn out and weren't foolish enough to become involved themselves.

Nothing like having a new fully armed nuclear enemy. All we need.

I've seen enough ugly Americans there to make it utterly an embarrassment to be an American.

These Chimpoid knuckleheads can hate France and Europe for all I care. Stay the FUCK away.

understand the American anger at all. They were completely unaware of it. Most of the French I know say they think of fun, disposable pop culture when they think of America: movies, music, etc.- not some weird political hatred.

They hate Bush there, don't get me wrong. But they separated Bush from America and Americans. Of course, after this past election, that may have changed.

...and I make every attempt to spend my money of French goods when I can!

The Chimperor has a whole legion of mindless thugs supporting a hatred of France. I love French fries, French toast, French Laundry, Frenching on a date, French wine food and culture. The little scared children of the GOP are missing out. If ignorance is bliss, the GOP must be in a state of rapture.

I don't necessarily believe these "statistics" but regardless I'm glad I live in New York. Tonight I went out for dinner and drinks and my wife and I were telling each other, it's good to be here, look at all these Kerry voters.

If I see a republican, I swear I'm stealing their cab.

Viva la France!

who do these people think gave us the Statue of Liberty....GEEZ!!!

What a freakin embarrassment!!!!

You know I think a portion of this Nation went insane after 9/11 and they are still there. I use to think they would wake up one day, but now I believe that as long as there is the media, radio, and other sources feeding that insanity...they will never wake up.

WorldNetDaily - as far as I recall, they are pretty rightwing. The Rasmussen Reports seems like a reasonably good survey design, but I still don't trust the story or the source. The polling service site looked pretty jingoistic.

if they come over to the UK expecting to find people congratulating them on starting the "War On Terra". Blair does not speak for the people of this country, an awful lot of whom read the Daily Mirror (remember its recent famous post-election front page).

Dear citizens of France;

I'm still very sorry for what we did to your Normandie...




The most beautiful ocean liner ever...:(

Well, most countries have a bad opinion of America.
And I for one, can't blame them. I'm on France's side on this one.

Boy, does this say a mouthful --

"Again, there's a big difference between Bush and Kerry backers, as 64 percent of Bush supporters have an unfavorable view of the U.N., while 68 percent of Kerry fans hold a positive view of the global body."

Thank you God for letting me be one of the people who cares about the WORLD and not just about myself.
I couldn't stand myself if I were one of THEM.

Stay out of Vietnam and do not invade Iraq and we hate them for that. If our government had listened, our country would have avoided two of our greatest tragedies. I suppose it may be human nature for some to hate people who are obviously more astute than they are.

Once upon a time I was a conservative Republican (brought up that way). A year France, showing me a better way of life, followed by a year in Texas, showing individualistic greed gone mad, changed me into a socialist. France is to be applauded for standing up to America's terrorism.

> and your slogan will be, losers of the world rise

You wanna know who the losers are?
It's the people who still hates France.
Remember France? The country that told the US Govt. that the US could avoid the biggest STUMBLE in military history if you just waited a couple of months?
Stumble as in WMD...?
Do you see the paradox......?

That's f.u.c.k.e.d up Right there, if you pardon my Freedom.

And it shows what the Neocons has reduced the Republican Party to:
A jeering crowd of pathetic outdated idiots that can't admit their errors, can't face the truth or couldn't care less.
It's such a SORRY sight to look towards America these days and Ike is fucking rotating in his grave.

Perhaps you're gonna smear him too with your tripe in the future, if he looks too democratic and 'leftist' ? Who knows.
I've no illusions left about the mental state of the brainwashed, groupthinking Republicans - anything goes.

As in 'France', loser.
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That about sums it up for my part.

Germany 1909
Canada 1576
France 565
Italy 491
Norway 342
United Kingdom 315
Belgium 293
+ others

15th June 2004: http://www.nato.int/issues/afghanistan/040628-factsheet.htm

I assume the bulk of the US troops are counted somewhere else - maybe they don't like having them under NATO control.

Note that France is doing more in the country that was actually agreed to be a terrorism problem than the UK - because the UK is on Dubya's wild goose chase in Iraq. And the top 3 countries all opposed the invasion of Iraq. So who are the true allies against terrorism?

Not many Americans can travel to foreign countries because of the drop in the dollar.

The majority of those that voted for Bush believing that Saddam was responsible for 9/11, even after Bush, Cheney, media declared otherwise also don't know the difference between Paris, France and Paris, Texas. They are born, raised and will die within their little communities never caring or wondering what lies on the other side of the road.

I didn't know they had more troops there than the UK and Italy, though.

The ignorance of Americans is only limited by the ability of the press to keep them that way.

I had to inform a France-bashing Fox news denizen the other day that France was not against us in *everything* the U.S. tries to do. When I told him about their troops in Afghanistan he was taken aback. He could no longer keep spouting that "France is against us" crap.

published on DU in February 2003

http://www.democraticunderground.com/articles/03/02/19_france.html

Afghanistan is mentioned.


I wouldn't pay too much attention to polls like this.

Behind the scenes the cooperation continue.

:hi:

Charlie Rose had the French head of Nato on the other night who answered the question about American resentment toward the French as an ally, thusly: "If not the French than who...China?"

The talking box said France is bad, so it is bad. The talking box said Great Brittain is good, so Great Brittain is good. If the talking box told them to drink their own urine and feed feces to their children, they would do that too.

Most of the red state repugs are so stupid they can't find France on a map. I don't think they are any real threat to nous amies.

TC

France has done nothing to us aside from exercise common sense and not go along with Bush's demands. Stupid, stupid people.

History buffs, help me out here! I know that there were battles up near the Canadian border in the Revolutionary War and the War of 1812, but technically "New France" was a British colony by then, so that doesn't really count.

There is more reason to pick on England as an "enemy" country!