Are Republican Born Again Christians the largest group of Hypocrites?

How can right wing born again christians possibly think that they are better than anyone else? They think that they are the closest group of people next to God and that they are the only ones that are going to heaven. They also think that you have to live your life in a cookie cutter Stepford family lifestyle or else you will be damned to hell.

How can they possibly be next to God if they have so much hate inside of them toward gays, womans rights over their own body, equal rights, civil unions and any other type of human rights that they don't agree with.

It's Sunday and they will go to Church and put their dollar in the tip basket. On their way home a percentage of them will stop at Walmart or some other type of store and pass judgment on someone else that they don't agree with.

They are against abortion but they will bring a bag of marshmallows and hot dogs and roast them at an execution to celebrate the killing of another individual. "Hypocrite"

They want to stop abortions but they don't want to pay for the baby until it turns 18. "Hypocrite"

They are so uptight over their own sex life that they don't want to allow two people that love each other to get married in a civil union. "Hypocrite"

What makes them feel like they have a closer connection to God then anyone else that they don't agree with? :shrug:


(The bible says "Turn the other Cheek"..... 9/11 was a horrible event but if the bible says "turn the other cheek" then why are we killing thousands upon thousands of innocent people in Iraq? How can all of the citizens be guilty of a crime? )

from the BAC I've met is that there was always some event in their lives that precipiated their conversion/dedication.
Death and divorce, typically.

Makes me often wonder would they have made the same choices if they'd gotten a good therapist, instead.

Cletus

who was born again when she was 3, when she realized that she was a sinner.

I think convincing a 3 year old she is a sinner = child abuse.

That is so ridiculous I can't believe that her mother or father would allow her to believe that. Child authorities should question her parents because that's mental abuse :grr:

I know a couple and they talk about all this christian crap and then they turn around and get pregnant out of wedlock. Biggest hypocrites I've ever known.

I've long thought that these people will turn out to be the kind of people they preach against.

have twisted the Word into a self-serving doctrine in which they can act in direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus - but because they were "saved" think they have a pass to heaven. They missed the part that they way it works is that the "saving" is because they adopt the teachings/message of Jesus - these folks will be the first in line to be "left-behind" (in their own rapture beliefs). However, there are some folks who are not virulent, not political, and really do try to right by others - those folks are left out of my rant...

:shrug: I had no idea what it meant but she was escorted out of our house by my mom.

It might of been because I tried the merchandise out prior to being bought ;). Another way of putting it is why buy the cow if you are getting the milk for free. :D

...don't need Jesus. It's only the evil doers that really need Jesus. Think about it.

There are many non-Christians who follow the golden rule because it makes sense. Only hypocrites need this supernatural nonsense to hook onto.

--IMM

Makes them feel like they know something. Coke has similar impact at certain doses. But try grading IQ tests of straight and coked people. No improvement in performance.

That physical reaction makes them think that they are infallible, just as their self-proclaimed instruction manual is inerrant. (contains no mistakes or contradictions)

These people refuse to admit that contrary facts exist. When faces with those pesky things, they are called tests of faith. They refuse to admit that their bible is filled with more incest, god approved rape and murder and that divorce was quite common. in essence, they are, by current medical and psychiatric definitions, crazy as loons.

In a way, that makes sense.

to facts that contradict their convictions.

(Somebody else probably already said this, but I'll say it again.) They live in a world entirely made up in their head. They have trouble separating actual events from those they make up. It's not technically schizophrenia, but it's frighteningly close. And for some of them, they may be imagining that God is speaking to them.

Truly scary. :scared:

How can someone be so nieve and gullible unless they have some type of psychological disorder.

Thanks, your description fits the profile of a right wing freeper.

Jimmy Carter, Jesse Jackson, Al Shrpton, Bill Clinton are born again Christians for starters...

I changed it thanks for pointing it out.

I"ve been keeping a running count of how many states and counties are toying with the idea of dropping evolution and either replacing it or "enhancing" the educational experience with Creationism and "intelligent design".

The figures are scary.

6 states now permit some sort of intel design teaching, or leave it to the local districts, and in over 130 counties in the country, it is required that evolution be matched with creationism or intelligent design beliefs. The trend is getting worse, not better.

simply couch it with "I know this doesn't apply to all born-again Christians" and the Jimmy Carter types will certainly understand.

It is because repugs constantly use the broad brush to paint half of Americans as weak/evil/losers that we are in the place we are. So unless you can sit down for an hour with each individual you are trying to reach and explain the nuances of your position, you have to be willing to use a broad brush approach.

Many people substitute religion for some other bad habit. My sister uses it to avoid responsibility and work. Any time someone points out anything she does wrong she plays the victim, or is it martyr, by saying that they just said that because she's a Christian. Wants to make me vomit.

Drunks, drug abusers, spouse abusers, porn addicts, child molestors, etc. Shame they didn't find a good therapist before they wandered into that tent revival....

IMO, they've just changed from one addiction to another.

They like to say "I'm not perfect, just FORGIVEN!"

Funny, why would they even need to mention such a thing if they weren't acting like their shit didn't stink anymore....

were heavily into drugs or indiscriminate sex before being 'born-again', or they were in trouble with the law. In other words, they were majorly fucked up. I've found many of them to be extremely shallow, self-involved and judgemental towards people who haven't done half the shit they've done in their lives. Generally, too many them are not worth knowing, so I avoid them like the plague. They don't worship Jesus. They worship themselves.

who spent over 30 years in the military screwing around on his wife at every turn, but tithing to the church each week. He's almost 60 now and told me he's trying to "be good" (not screw around on his wife). Hypocrite!

Nothing in the bible said anything about MEN playing around. to the contrary, lot, abraham, and many other heros had tons of concubines. they were expected to play around.

but, if you were a female, HARLOT! ! ! ! ! burn or stone her! If you were a married female, the man gets blessed, the woman is put to death.

So, just who did they fool around with? other men? King David sure seemed to enjoy men and boys. As did several others.

males, for males (with a few exceptions). Which bible writer was it that was married and left his wife and child (to who knows what fate)? Augustine, I think.

conservative, war hungry, anti-wom


hey, was I writing about George W or (St.) Augustine?
The similarities are uncanny.

:shrug:

It might be the rebirth of Augustine Bush.

Augustine did not write any part of the Bible, but why let facts get in the way here? I find this thread full of the same outrageous stereotyping that most of you would decry if it were directed at almost any other group.

because they are playing hard ball with you.
i see you are new -- but if you've been lurking for a while you should know a good deal of this if not all of it is tongue in cheek.
what you can't say is that conservatives christians aren't a real life threat to people who don't think like they do.

"By their fruits ye shall know them."

Their own conversiion is the focus.

They hated themselves for so long until they were given a reason for self worship. Psychotics who think their mini gods.

I think many of them are judgemental, whether they know it or not. The problem is, many of them say "Judge not, lest ye be judged." The bible has some good stories, but I don't take it entirely literally. I just don't know what to think. I have a belief that their should be something beyond this life. It gives me hope. But I also feel like I don't understand why half of these people feel like they are so entitled to heaven and that they can talk down to the rest of us like they don't have to face judgement in some form.

These stories teach lessons about humanity. Once you take them literally, they become mere historical accounts of events, and lose their higher meaning.

"I have a belief that their should be something beyond this life. It gives me hope."

The purpose of life is to hope for something better than life? I wouldn't call that hope. It's defeat.

--IMM

But I don't agree with the second part of what you are saying. The problem is, I don't consider myself a Christian for many reasons. The bible should be used to teach stories about humanity.

But what is wrong with believing something is beyond this life? At some point this will end. WHat then? Nothingness?

B-)

--IMM

They turn people off to religion.

Years after I stopped going to church, I was talking to a Christian friend, who I consider to be a decent, albiet sanctimonious guy. He was trying to get me back into it because he knows that I am a seeker but knows that I have been turned off by religion in the past. Now when I talk about the problems I have had in the past, he says that you need to experience it through Christ and not through other people. While I can agree with that on some level, it is other people that you are around to experience it with. And how they act can affect your perception. And saying that I needed to experience it through Christ and not other people seems to be a way for them to avoid responsibility for their actions.

It's the ones who pretend to be interested in that stuff, but are only interested in using these people to consolidate a power front, such as Cheney, Rumsfeld, etc., that are the real hypocrites. Do you think Cheney really believes in any of that stuff? Bush does. In fact, at times I believe he's pushing foreign policy and spending in such a manner because he honestly believes the Rapture will occur and he won't be here to have to pick up the pieces. Seriously. Ex-Oklahoma senator Don Nickles actually said on the floor of the Senate that we needed to protect Israel to prepare for the Second Coming. Those are the people to watch out for. They would start a war to bring back peace. That's why my tag line (from Keeper of Traken -- Doctor Who) is....

and they aren't Christians, though they call themselves that and go through the same/similar motions in church, and use the same symbols. They are Paulists/Saulists, Pharasees who converted to Christianity.

The Protestant Reformation was the triumph of Paul over Peter. Modern Fundamentalism is the triumph of Paul/Saul over Jesus himself.

See:
http://primal-page.com/booth.htm
for religious addiction. I've read it, they show the symptoms. Thier faith is not a umbrella to protect them from nature, nor armor to protect them from harm, but rather a club, to be used to beat into submission all who don't conform to thier faith.

WHEN GOD BECOMES A DRUG? I forget the author, but it's got a lot of good stuff in it. Helped me over my religious addiction.

It's about the book.

I have been raised by parents, one Catholic and one non-practicing Protestant...sometimes Baptist, sometimes Methodist, sometime Moravian. My siblings and I had the opportunity to listen to many teachers/priests/ministers/rabbis, to open our minds and judge for ourselves.

Although the rest of my siblings have commited to one or the other, they still are able to enter any of the houses of worship with open hearts and minds unlike many fundamentalist Protestants, Catholics, Jews, etc.

For myself I have been unable to commit to anyone Faith but have found that I am drawn to those individual Teachers, who have dedicated their entire lives into the actual historical study of all worship/religions to include Judiaism, and the beginnings of christianity through the written words of the Old Testiment and the New Testiment written by men years and centuries after the death of Christ. The teachers that have studied and debated with teachers throughout the world with the intent to arrive at the most likely scenario of what was written and comparing it to the actual historical times in Israel, etc., holds more interest for me than some Sunday school teacher or backwoods minister who received a diploma mill certificate or went to a 4-year Seminary received a diploma and set himself/herself up with a Sunday/daily mega TV program.

I find solace when these educated teachers are able to take portions of the Bible and discuss the possible meaning in comparing it to the actual times and life of christ. When they can do this and compare it all with today's life it makes a bit more sense.

I have little time or use for those that take one or two passages to proselytize and when questioned are dumber than a stump. If this little knowledge gives them peace so be it but I don't want them ringing my doorbell, I don't want them preaching and begging for money on my TV and I sure as hell don't want to listen to thier ministers/priests/rabbi's or mullahs.

I think that as a whole, yes, Republican Christians are hypocritical. Jesus admonished us to lift up the least among us. The Bible clearly says we will be judged by what we do for the least among us. So I don't find it a Christian value when you support a President who has essentially kicked children out of after-school programs to pay for a tax cut for the rich.

I don't find it a Christian value that you invade a sovreign nation who has never attacked us, and you start killing their innocent civilians.

Enough said. :D

If someone loudly (and repeatedly) proclaims that they're a born again Christian and they can't make mistakes, then I know its time to cover my wallet, put my back to the wall and head for the exit as rapidly as possible.

However, if they live the life, and it just comes up in normal conversation, that's different because they are truly good people. You notice that Jimmy Carter, Bill Clinton, et al never made it a major tenet of their lives. They just lived a good life and admitted that they could make (and had made) mistakes.

A big difference!!

says he always asks for cash in advance, a cleared check, or a good credit card number before he does ANY work on a car with a 'fish' on its back... seems he's been stiffed by those who advertise thier Christianity more than anyone else.

For the record.......Republican Catholics are hypocrites too.

I will leave out the religious connections.

that I know were absolute "Hell-Raisers" who did and said just about everything before their conversion. After they converted they changed into some of the most straight-laced, snotty, stick to the letter people you'd ever want to meet...they are Hell-fire and brim-stone and you must change now or die people.

I've always thought they should be some of the most understanding, but they're not. So they are indeed some of the biggest Hypocrites on the planet.

And personally I don't know how to reach them.

:shrug:

go figure that one! "He who is without sin, let him cast the 1st stone" They live in glass houses:

Walking the walk on family values
By William V. D'Antonio | October 31, 2004

PRESIDENT Bush and Vice President Cheney make reference to "Massachusetts liberals" as if they were referring to people with some kind of disease. I decided it was time to do some research on these people, and here is what I found.

The state with the lowest divorce rate in the nation is Massachusetts. At latest count it had a divorce rate of 2.4 per 1,000 population, while the rate for Texas was 4.1.

But don't take the US government's word for it. Take a look at the findings from the George Barna Research Group. George Barna, a born-again Christian whose company is in Ventura, Calif., found that Massachusetts does indeed have the lowest divorce rate among all 50 states. More disturbing was the finding that born-again Christians have among the highest divorce rates.

http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/oped/articles/2004/10/31/walking_the_walk_on_family_values/

All of the * crime family are a bunch of hypocrites.