It's like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" here....

...in Philadelphia. Maybe it's because Kerry won Pennsylvania but I swear to God no one here in Philly seems to entertain the notion that there could have been any kind of fraud with the election. If I mention Black Box voting, voter suppression/intimidation, Diebold, exit polls, Kenneth Blackwell, etc. I get a dismissive wave of the hand. One of my coworkers is typical. The day before the election she asked me what I thought would happen. I said that I thought Kerry had a good chance of winning and that if he lost, it might well be because of fraud and tampering. She said that she thought the exact same thing. The day after the election all she could talk about was the 22% "moral values" voters and how the religious right was taking over. Suddenly, the possibility of vote fraud doesn't even come onto her radar. It's like that with everyone I talk to. I get the dismissive wave of the hand from everyone. I don't even want to broach the subject anymore.

went agaisnt the 22%.. What a joke...and the phrase "moral values" conjures up different things for different people. To some it means taking care of the poor, raising kind and generous kids, treading lightly on the planet to preserve nature, and living a decent life.

To others it obviously means outright condemnation of others who do not share your own world view. It's a smug ego-centric way of thinking. I am pretty sure that moral values to that 22% means that anyone who enjoys sex is a deviant...anyone who tries to help the poor is just wasting taxpayer money...anyone who thinks that they have no business sniffing around the crotches of every female of childbearing age , must be a baby-killer... anyone who does not love guns as much as their family, must be a weakling... and that having no decent job is worth it because preventing gay people from having recognized legal unions is worth any sacrifice..

...the entire 22% was made up of Republican voters. There may very well have been Democrats among that 22% who thought moral values are important because we have been living under such an immoral administration. Anyway, the 22% thing is ridiculous. I agree with you when you say that it simply means that 78% voted the other way. That's why I was so baffled when I came into work the day after the election to hear my coworker freaking out about the infamous 22%. She doesn't even talk about vote fraud anymore. It's like a pod person took her place.

the tellers that I will come into the bank rather than use their Diebold machines because of no receipt, no paper trail. Gave her the schpeal (sp) about why no verification for voting when banking is so precise.

I'm telling you, she looked at me like I was speaking so foreign a language that it didn't even have a name. Granted I live in UT (70.9% Repuke), but ...

...so you'd think there'd be more interest. You'd be wrong.

i have wondered as the time goes if people are going to this wasnt fraud as so many felt so sure right after. i even get pulled to it wasnt, yet i know in my heart it was stolen. i sat and watched. that night, after cameras went into the yellow room, everything felt different, from kerry win to bush won. was the oddest.

...that alot of people (Democrats even!!!) are saying that Bush won it fair and square this time. What are they basing this assertion on? You'd think they'd at least show some curiousity about the whole e-voting issue, educate themselves a bit and then come to a conclusion. Like i said in another thread last week, just the fact that the Republicans were so against having an auditable paper trail for those machines is enough--or should be enough--to raise quite a few eyebrows.

If you win by cheating - YOU STILL WIN.