WTF? Zogby thinks he was "wrong"? (On Countdown right now)

What the F? He's contradicting himself from previous statements...is it me or am I hallucinating about what he has said previously on the accuracy of the exit polls?

He was just asked by Olbermann if the people who think this election was fraudulent, are they crazy - he said no. But I don't understand this sudden change in his statements about the validity of the exit polls in this last election....

everyone has a price. say good bye to the good old days

What was Zogby's original position? In what way has he contradicted himself? Did he previously say that people who thought the election fraudulent were crazy?

Your profile says you like being a "generic pest"...

guess it must be so... :eyes:

He's been hosting third-party articles about election fraud at his site, a sort of tacit endorsement of the possibility. At the same time, he's issued a mea culpa for his predictions (while defending the accuracy of his polling!). He promises to never make such predictions again. Unfortunately, he's still willing to make post-mortems...

http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=928

It sounds like he's saying that even though the exit polls were flawed (that's what he's saying, right?) that doesn't mean there wasn't any fraud, or maybe he's saying that while he thinks there wasn't fraud, it's not crazy for people to think so because there are indications of fraud?

Am I even close?

His polling was right, but it was a mistake to continue late polling, which indicated trends that didn't exist, but his polling was right, and he's an historian, did you know that?

I don't know what he's saying.

why are some of us so sure it's a sell-out?

From reading some of the posts in this thread, someone is sure that Olberman sold out, but no one seems able to explain it.

but he is a straddler. Disseminating charges of election fraud while vouching for the legitimacy of the vote (my polls were accurate!) is kinda schizophrenic.

but then again, people don't seem too clear on what was said. Maybe the seeming inconsistency is more the result of not understanding his point, than the result of his being contradictory. I just cant tell

It's hard to believe someone that says all the standard crap and then says the exit polls were wrong/no right/no wrong no I was wrong.

Huh?
http://www.zogby.com/news/ReadNews.dbm?ID=928

First, President George W. Bush was not posting solid re-elect numbers. Indeed, the last three Presidents who ran for re-election with numbers as low as his – Gerald Ford in 1976, Jimmy Carter in 1980, and George H.W. Bush in 1992 – all lost. Surprising to me, and rather significantly, President Bush was just re-elected with a majority of the vote by an electorate that still gave him a negative job performance rating and felt the country was headed in the wrong direction.


And:
Lastly, Kerry just didn’t connect with voters. This isn’t just the obvious criticism about his personality. It is metaphoric of the entire Democratic Party which simply doesn’t understand the religiosity of most Americans, the needs of the heartland that go well beyond bread and butter. How else to explain the many voters who told us that they have been left behind by the economy and still voted for the incumbent?

And the clincher. Blame the kids.
Because I have polled so successfully in presidential races in the past, I felt compelled to poll as late as I could and thought I saw a late-breaking trend for Kerry. Such a trend – fueled by a surge of young voters that was reported to us in our many calls to battleground cities on election day – did not materialize.

(Everybody bitched about the kids around DU for a few days until they found out they did have much higher vote numbers)

Okay so it was the Religion, stupid. Just like the exit polls say. Which Olbermann also disputed.

Propaganda is flying everywhere, they don't even know it's propaganda anymore.

That article goes way back to the 8th of November. Since then he has posted a article about election fraud by another writer titled, "Something smells very fishy..." which goes on to list a series of election problems.

But besides all that, the 18-29 year olds voted in the HIGHEST number since 1972. Most of them are not especially happy that the mainstream media keeps saying "they didn't show up like we thought they would." Bullshirt.

Because it sure looks like he's been drinking it. Something is very weird here.

Hasn't he said over and over again that he thinks this election was rigged?

polls...he posted articles on his site regarding t his and supporting that fact...my jaw dropped as I listened to him...I figured other DUers watching thought the same and are equally surprised...

... some individuals and entities are realizing we just may have had fewer voters than the other guy?

... Have you ever considered that perhaps we can beat our chests that this election was "rigged" when in fact it just wasn't?

... Further, if you are Zogby, that perhaps he's not just toeing the company line but rather maintaining his credibility in the face of all the evidence.

... The huge majority have accepted the fact we lost and have moved along. Yes it hurts, yes I worry about the future of the Country, yes it makes us angry but we're also intelligent and rational people that need to put the past history behind us and work for a better future.

http://www.azdem.org/

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... I'm not being derogatory or disrespecting anyone or the Party. I'm simply being a realist. BTW, most likely, I've donated thousands more dollars and literally days of volunteered-time to the Kerry campaign and Democratic Party of Arizona, so don't tell me to shut up - punk.

Ministry of Propaganda.

in the primaries, even predicted Edwards will take NY....
In October 2000 he was exposed Galluping for W, so in his next one he didn't do it anymore, hence the myth: "he was the only one who got it right"

He said he can't determine the validity of the exit polls & whether or not they indicate fraud because the people who did the polls aren't releasing enough info. He wants transparency in the exit polls as well as the elections.

Thank you

besides Starlight or are you just responding to what someone else says that he said? 'He was just asked by Olbermann if the people who think this election was fraudulent, are they crazy - he said no.' As in no, not crazy to think the election is fraudulent.

He said he can't determine the validity of the exit polls & whether or not they indicate fraud because the people who did the polls aren't releasing enough info. He wants transparency in the exit polls as well as the elections.

He dipped his toe in our waters here! Don't attack the few that are willing to venture into questioning what we are wanting them to question. His timid little doubt can lead to more & louder dips in the pool.

looks kind of like a guy? Just IMO, of course.....