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__Inanna__ Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:33 AM
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Somebody, check me on my thinking please
I just read the post about there being a revolution or something in the air, like something is going on. I feel the exact same way. There is too much that is not making sense to me, like the apathy we have all fallen into here.

I did my usual DU reading tonight and went off on a tangent and came across something I cannot get out of my mind, so I want to run it all by you for your opinion. Maybe I need to be reigned in here and maybe I am just falling into a conspiracy mindset. Here goes. It's a quote from Kissinger in 1992 at the annual Bilderburg meeting, which is for real, and is attended by the most powerful people on the planet.

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."

-Henry Kissinger in an address to the Bilderberg organization meeting at Evian, France, May 21, 1992. Transcribed from a tape recording made by one of the Swiss delegates.

In light of recent developments (i.e. Michael Scheuer saying we're in for a bigger 911, the drop in the dollar, a war with no end in sight, not enough troops), I can't help but think maybe we're on the verge of something huge...something that would render us paralyzed with fear, justify the draft, justify martial law, etc.

I read somewhere there are 5MM UN troops in our borders, imported from other countries, who would not have a problem imposing martial law on us, to put it mildly.

Someone please tell me I am going off the deep end. Twice today from two different AirAmerica radio hosts they brought up 911. Conspiracy theories in this area are moving out of the blogosphere into radio. Anyway, here is the link on the Bilderburg meetings...

http://www.mega.nu:8080/ampp/bilderberg.html

P.S. If you think me to be alarmist, please realize I share this on the off chance it just might be true, and to get the word out.
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ebayfool Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:45 AM
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1. Chilling, scarey & in light of the state of the country today ...
prophetic or a plan laid out for fruition?
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:49 AM
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2. What's your point?
I'm confused. Frankly, I've been begging the UN to invade us for a couple of years. If they did, I'd be on their side.
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__Inanna__ Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:00 AM
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4. My point is
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 05:02 AM by __Inanna__
I feel something in the air and not sure what to make of it. This is why I put it out there for your interpretations. Why would you want UN troops to "invade" us? Maybe you meant to be of help. Not quite sure where you are coming from.

Edited for clarification
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sandnsea Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:15 AM
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6. We're in deep doo here
I wouldn't reject a UN invasion out of hand, that's all I'm saying there.

Something in the air? The calm before the storm? Yeah, I feel it. I don't have any idea what it means though.
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alittlelark Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 04:59 AM
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3. This quote says it all
<I read somewhere there are 5MM UN troops in our borders, imported from other countries, who would not have a problem imposing martial law on us, to put it mildly.>

uh, yeah.
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elepet Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:02 AM
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5. Yes
there is something happening...conspiracies and all that. we all feel that.
BUT not from the U.N. the danger does not come from that direction.
What you say sounds more like part of the Radical right program...Abolish income tax, teach 3R s, Get us out of the UN, abolish affirmative action etc.
Yes there are groups working below the surface, and we realy have to be able to sort things thru. You are new here. Take some time to investigate.
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__Inanna__ Donating Member (246 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:18 AM
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7. Yes
You are correct. I am new here and prone to jump to conclusions, possibly. I have done nothing but be online and investigate since arriving, LOL, to the point where I am not even sleeping til the wee hours of the morning. But your point is well taken :-)
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MatrixEscape Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:19 AM
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9. I agree with that take ...
We may certainly be in for something, but I have always seen the U.N. consipiracy as Right-wing rhetoric.

It seems that the results of that kind of thinking has served to bring nothing but support for US obstinance concerning the Global Community.

An invasion by U.N. troops would be seen as war on the US in my mind and would be counter-productive. That would not be a Republican mindest.


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DrCorday Donating Member (158 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:19 AM
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8. Not quite there yet.
I don't think the United States has quite reached the "UN invasion" level yet. We're getting there.

Currently we seem to be in between "UN bows head, sighs with disappointment" and "UN declares a rogue state." In someways, the further the better. Maybe the UN can stop our raging insanity?
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elepet Donating Member (316 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:46 AM
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10. what's with this sudden UN bit
from newbies? This is the least of our concerns at the moment.
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TWiley Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:11 AM
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11. Do you live in Michigan?
This rumor has been circulating around here for almost a decade. It is cited mainly by evangelical fundamentalists, Survivalists, Militia folks,and a variety of racist conservative republican outfits. In retrospect, it seems like these folks were trained to distrust the UN, and it paid off big when (he who should not be mentioned) threatened the UN with irrelevancy.

There is a church fella on TV in Detroit who I think has been talking this crap for years. He seems to have become the spiritual leader for these folks. His name is jack van impe.

I think the UN rumor is baseless and nothing more than another shining example of church lunacy.
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muriel_volestrangler Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:37 AM
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12. "5MM UN troops in our borders, imported from other countries"
If 'MM' means million, then no, there aren't. You can't hide that number of troops anywhere. Doing it in two open countries like Canada and Mexico would be even harder.
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orpupilofnature57 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:45 AM
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13. I think the crux of your message is in the first paragraph, apathy
Like complacency,apathy is the silent killer.We have to get the non- voting Americans,to see them selves as sheep ready for the slaughter,and show them that their apathy makes them responsible,more than even the idiot ruining things RIGHT NOW
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:47 AM
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14. That could be exacty how they will get the draft past the sheep
Have a much larger attack than 9/11 and all will fall in line as in 2001, and follow the little bush head into more war and send our children off to die in a foreign land.
Meanwhile we will give up more civil liberties and the economy will slide further with large scale job loss.
This country is on the verge of total melt down and we do not have a leader that is up to the challenges that could prevent it.
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:58 AM
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15. You're an alarmist
No way, no how are there 5 million "UN troops" on our borders. The UN can't even scrape up 50,000 troops to go to the Sudan...
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:01 AM
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16. But the Sudan is not a threat to world stability and security
The US could easily be seen as a threat to the world and with a tyranic leader like bush who knows.
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:01 AM
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17. And where would they get
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 08:02 AM by RivetJoint
and equip 5 million troops?
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:06 AM
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18. Look what happened when Germany was a threat prior to WWII
Yes most of the resources came from the US then, but who is to say another nation could not rise to power the same as the US did?
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:09 AM
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19. Agghhh! The point I'm making
is that there are NOT NOW 5 million UN troops on the borders waiting to invade the US.
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liberal N proud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:18 AM
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20. True,
But I fear that if bush keeps pushing his attack policies, they will start to mobilize against us.
It is a real possibility.
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RivetJoint Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:23 AM
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22. No
It is not a real possibility. VERY VERY unlikely.
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Gore1FL Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 08:21 AM
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21. The UN bit has been a rightwing scare tactic for a while
The big bad UN will come in nd put everyone in concentraion camps...


The UN wouldn;t go into Iraq... They won't come here.

Does that mean there are not threats? By no means.

It won't be the UN. If it happens it will be the fundies -- Doing it for God.
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