Draft is coming??

A guy I work with has a second job working as a recruiter for a subcontractor for the military, providing security for high ranking military.

He said papers have came across his desk saying the draft will begin June 5. I don't know if the is a scare tactic for recruiting or fact. I have no reason not to believe him.

I would like to know if an others of you have heard of this June 5, 2005 date for the draft to start.

is if they wait until June 5.

but I don't know if there is any truth to it.

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We may not know when, but we knew it was coming a long, long time ago.

He said their would be no draft.

prolly a "jobs" program. Or maybe, since Roverer likes previous centuries so much, he'll just opt for "impressment".

When he said no draft I had visions of his daddy saying NO NEW TAXES. I thought OH YOU FREAKIN' liar

They will never use the term "draft".
They will concoct some kind of snappy, patriotic name for it, and claim is is not the draft.

I am going to pass out enlistment forms to my friends that voted Bush. Man, that is gonna be sweet!!

Bush supporter: Hope your happy when your child comes home in a body bag.

and nuke us that people who dont want this war are spared

IF there were to be a draft, the ability to go to war would be gone. . .political suicide. There is no way that drafted youngsters could come close to matching our professional soldiers.

The draft issue was smart politics to try and scare young people into voting, but it will never happen.

I suggest you read the SSS site.

There will be no general draft.

We do not have the numbers for the wars that are scheduled.

I'll be here

"Special skills agressive recruitment", perhaps, but they'll never use the word "draft".

n/t

Pentagon...see what's going on every day. The draft is not even a serious topic of discussion.

which is spelled out as part of keeping military dominance by creating continous instability all over the world ala PNAC.

The rhetoric being spun per Iran and Syria - beginning in the first days of the Iraq invasion - and escalating now - suggests they are planning yet another campaign. Insane - yes. But this administration has demonstrated disconnect from reality, time and time again.

So how else do they man their plans, if not a draft?

With an endless supply of troops, who will bush attack next.

that these goons are 'sovietizing' us - in the sense of taking the lessons behind the why the soviet union collapsed (draining from the economy an unending war - while emptying the treasury for a arms race)... unending war - while pursuing huge weapons systems that are not even appropriate for the type of wars being waged - a sorta arms race but with only one competitor...

to resort to a draft. of course this will require another 9/11. but even with another 9/11 and no specific enemy to blame other then shadow terrorist, the reaction from the youngsters is going to scare the shit out of the repugs.

i don't think they really want to mess with peoples MTV, and american idol.

...Used the locals to augment/reinforce their own professional cadre.

Rome & England being the 2 off the top of my head.

Of course, they knew enough to give the locals a reason to fight and die on their side - $$$$$ benefits rewards land - something this administration hasn't fully grasped. That part was on page 2 and without pictures and big graphics it probably didn't excite these "experts" enough to stay awake in class zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz


NOAM CHOMSKY"...In my view, if there's going to be an army, I think it ought to be a citizen's army. Now, here I do agree with some people, the top brass, they don't want a citizen's army. They want a mercenary army, what we call a volunteer army. A mercenary army of the disadvantaged. And in fact, in the Vietnam war, the U.S. military realized, they had made a very bad mistake. I mean, for the first time I think ever in the history of European imperialism, including us, they had used a citizen's army to fight a vicious, brutal, colonial war, and civilians just cannot do that kind of a thing...."
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=04/11/15/1448219

History of Conscription in United States
http://college.hmco.com/history/readerscomp/rcah/html/ah_019500_conscription.htm

Military Draft In 2005 website
http://www.geocities.com/draft_in_2005/

There is no need to train Cannon Fodder. What they need in Iraq is warm bodies in boots.

The resistance is poorly equipped, barely trained and hopelessly outnumbered. They have us pinned down.


One thing you forget is that the conservatives NEVER forgave the left for their anti-war activities. They felt we were "holding back" They felt if we unleashed the full might of America we could have won that war.

Well, you can't "save" someone by killing them. However, if you listen to the hate wing radio people, you will find out that they're advocating wholesale murder and slaughter to get Iraq under control. All in the name of "helping" the Iraqi people.

You cannot IMPOSE a democracy on a society. It is counter-intuitive.

Truer words were never spoken.

Long before we went into Iraq

I work with many pro-Bush nuts. Some are draftable age (under 30), some have kids who are of draftable age. I'm considering sending a letter - allegedly from a local Republican-sounding organization - to their home addresses.

Something along the lines of
"George Bush promised not to re-instate the draft. But military commanders say they don't have enough troops for the ongoing War on Terrorism. They estimate at least another 50,000 will be needed in the next year alone.
Help George Bush keep his promise and enlist in the Armed Forces of the United States. With your help, our Leader can keep his word AND we can defeat terrorism."

Put it on some nice letterhead, and enclose a copy of an enlistment form. Include directions to the local recruiting stations.

I'm hoping it might wake some of these people up.

if someone posts it here I'll sure download and print out several to post around

the government? It's going to happen and it's too late for them to do anything about it.

dare ya! lmao... wonder what the talk will be at the Water cooler on Monday!! haha!

:bounce:

but I'll start work on it Monday. I'll be sure to post something here for anyone who wants to send copies out.

How would that work? Seems to me if/when they bring back the draft it's damned if you do enlist and damned if you don't enlist.

or get drafted in June. At least with him you know where your going. Drafted you don't.

You should have some warning up front like when they call you in for a physical.

it's all in the packaging!!

very qualified military experts in DU lately. Perhaps they would offer their skills?

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is scheduled fo the April/May time frame.

This person has amassed more info on the draft than anyone I know.

n/t

The draft was a foregone conclusion as soon as the first bomb dropped on Baghdad.

"We" invaded a country with a population in excess of 25,000,000 people. What reasonable person could believe that success on the ground could be achieved with (approximately) 125,000 troops? Our troops aren't just facing an opposing "army", they are facing an opposing population.

The fact that there are "subcontractors" for security (and other traditional military functions) should show that there were not and are not enough troops to fulfill mission needs.

At present I am waiting for the "Gulf of Ton-kin" type incident that will "justify" the war spilling over the boarders of Iran (or somewhere else, ie. N. Korea). An expanded war would be all the justification needed to justify the draft.

it will just prove more than ever, bush is a lair.

The source was really certain of her source. I wouldn't be surprised.

in March/April.

Followed by Iran's retaliatory strike (I am sure some expendable assets will be placed in high risk areas prior to the initial strike).

Followed by 'Our Leader' going to Congress and declaring a national emergency justifying the draft (thus voiding his campaign promise, we were attacked, you know).

For all those who think an engagement with Iran will be a cakewalk, history is littered with the promises of 'short' wars. Look at the mess we are in now.

a sacrificial, pre-arranged, Neo/TheoCon sponsored* big terra event in Israel or here would do the trick. That's why this time around is really scarier here in the homeland. (Used to be Heartland but that's just a quaint expression since the 2000 sElection.)





(* brings new meaning to the term "Silent Partner, don't it?)

as Al Queda is a non-State actor. There will be too many questions as to the perpetrator to depend on the populous supporting a draft. Also, the administration, during the campaign, stressed that they had enough troops to pursue the 'War On Terra' without a draft.

A draft will require a 'new' threat by a State actor, thus justifying greatly increased troop levels not previously anticipated.

As for 'verifiable provocation', since when have they needed verification of threats. The same drumbeat prior to the Iraq action is being sounded now about Iran (WMD, etc.).

In other words, same shit, different Ira*.

Why isn't this all over the news? If the guy I talked to saw the orders how is it being kept quite?

Your friend is lying

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posting on a liberal message board? There are a couple of wars going on afterall. Or do you guys just throw paper airplanes around the office?

for one thing.

B. I AM a liberal.

C. There are..

How is the troop shortage being dealt with? Is it expected that the backdoor drafts going on now will have to suffice?