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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:52 PM
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Poll question: Does the outrage in Ukraine make Amerikans look like lazy punks?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 06:18 PM by JanMichael
Here is an election that was very close, I'm not commenting on who I would support, and the group that's getting the shaft is pushing back about as hard as possible minus full scale rebellion. The opposition candidate himself, not webheads, is calling for a strike.

We've had two times in the last 4 years when election fraud has been the story of the day yet other than a few fringe "leaders", and groups, we've pretty much gone back to grazing.

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mr_hat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:55 PM
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1. Sedated slobs, more like.
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:29 AM
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27. I agree! "Sedated Slobs"!
And that's the way the media plans it.

The bushgoons have plans, no doubt, to take over our Country for good and Americans can't be bothered to rebel.
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donheld Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:57 PM
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2. I have a good idea
we looked like pansies anyway.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:20 PM
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7. "pansy" was knee-jerk label.
So I've edited the title...Plus they're awfully pretty flowers....
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Cha Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:33 AM
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28. And it turns out that "pansies" are
very hardy flowers. There were some planted in pots outside in Denver(where I was in 1990)and after a heavy spring snow ..the pansies were still there in full bloom..surprised the heck out of me:)
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GOPisEvil Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 05:58 PM
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3. Don't know if I'd use pansies, but it makes us look fat, dumb and happy.
The reason the Ukranians are angry is that their democracy is new, and the people who created it from scratch are seeing its potential downfall. They have a lot at stake. We're too far removed from our own revolution. We (the royal we) have no personal stake in things anymore.
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:02 PM
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4. Well said and you beat me to it.
I don't know if I would be as charitable in my characterizations of the Imperial Subjects of Amerika.

And we cannot claim any special immunity, for we are not in the streets.

Our leaders failed us and cowered, after they had done nothing but that for four years and more.

But We the People, now the Imperial Subjects of Amerika, failed ourselves.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:14 PM
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6. Yes we certainly have. I would guess that we've got one more shot.
Then it's lights out for a very long time.
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fortyfeetunder Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:32 AM
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21. Americans fear civil war and revolution
They are too far removed and it's not current history. IIRC, Murkans are among the historically illiterate.

Like a revolution is so 18th century and a civil war is so 19th century. And that "civlilized" (that is WASBAC)people don't protest or go to war, unless it's to beat up on some folks who aren't WASBAC, hence Iraq and Afghanistan.

*WASBAC = White Anglo-Saxon Born Again Christian
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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:05 AM
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25. Exactly, they are too comfortable n/t
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:04 PM
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5. absolutely..."where are our leaders?"
who said this?
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:24 PM
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11. They've all been voted out, driven into submission or killed off.
You can only fight for so long... That's what happens when you don't have the media questioning what's going on and you don't have the people paying attention that's what happens. They can only beat their heads against the wall for so long.
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kerry-is-my-prez Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:21 PM
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8. They're also brainwashed automatons who believe anything they're fed
n/t
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:26 PM
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12. Um, care to back that up?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 06:27 PM by JanMichael
While I can't speak for Ukrainians I did live in Poland for about 5 years and whether you believe it or not they were far from brainwashed automatons.

Fact is, due to recent elections/etcetera, I'd say that your average Amerikan is as much a brainwashed automaton than just about anyone.

We're number #1! Yeppers...
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KG Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:31 AM
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19. stereotype much?
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:22 PM
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9. Clueless idiots is what we look like...
I just sit here looking at the reports on CNN about what is happening in Ukraine and seeing the protests and the statements from the US about not recognizing the validity of the election and then I can't help but shake my head and wonder what the hell is going on here in our country that so many clueless idiots don't see that the exact thing has happened here - Yet where is the outrage? Why aren't there mass strikes? Where are the mass protests?

I went to DisneyWorld yesterday with my family while visiting here in Florida....As I walked around the "facade" of a "happy world" I couldn't help but think that it represented all the same things that our country stands for and how the majority of Americans live their lives....they eat their corn syrup/sugar filled, grease fried processed snacks while they become gargantuan obese Zombies spending money on mass marketed consumer goods, filling their empty minds with reality shows and faux news. Is it any wonder why there aren't protests?

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TroubleMan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:22 PM
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10. We're sheep....4 LEGS GOOD!!! TWO LEGS BETTER!!!

nt.
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Career Prole Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:31 PM
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13. Here's what we're looking like...
...and it's a nice, quiet, uneventful life, too.
Until Thanksgiving.
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Mist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:31 PM
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14. Maybe we're confused
It's not crazy to be confused. TPTB own 99% of everything, including the media. We have little recourse in courts due to many judges being part of the problem. Much of our confusion stems from the fact that everything is so disparate: election fraud in various precincts across the country, corrupt politicians like Delay apparently able to intimidate other pols, crazy RW Armageddon gov't., etc. Knowing where to begin is a problem. To repeat an expression, it's like trying to nail jello to the wall.
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JNelson6563 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 06:32 PM
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15. Our "leadership" could watch and learn
but they won't. Don't want to upset the Rethugs you know.

:puke:

Julie
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 07:43 PM
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17. Outsourcing civic duty?
Wow...wow...
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Vidar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:24 AM
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18. We have to become the leaders
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Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:19 AM
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20. I believe it comes down to leadership on all levels of the Dem party...
...starting at the very top. Dems were ready to rumble in 2000...until Gore's DLC team (Lieberman & Co) advised him that it wouldn't 'look good'. But that didn't stop the Bushies from getting their thugs into the streets to 'shut down' the recount.

In 2004 you had Kerry concede the very next morning. How can you fight when the 'main event' is cancelled?

It all comes down to this: either the Dem leadership has been paid off or they're just not very good leaders.
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BiggJawn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:02 AM
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22. The Ukrainians would be sitting on their asses, too, if they had...
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 09:02 AM by BiggJawn
...500 channels of Satellite Teeee-Veeee...
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robbedvoter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:06 AM
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23. Yes. See my sig

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Pepper32 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:03 AM
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24. Yes, we look like idiots that will accept ANYTHING B*sh will dish out.
That's what happen when most of Americans get comfortable with "good enough" or what they spin as "good enough" compared to other countries.

However, at the rate little man is destroying our country the idea of "good enough" will fade before summer and people will begin to see what we already see happening. :nopity:
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TheLastMohican Donating Member (753 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:20 AM
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26. Proud to be a ukrainian
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 10:22 AM by TheLastMohican
The fourth day of protests.
We are as strong as ever.
I am currently gathering money and medical supplies for those staying in the streets permanently. It is getting quite cold in Ukraine (-8 C)so we are organizing warm clothes and boots for those active protesters.
I am along with my colleagues go to the central square to protest too.
You will probably see me in the pictures, who knows?
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tom_paine Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 12:58 PM
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29. Good for you. Trapped behind the Tekevied Curtain of Imperial Amerika,
it does my heart good to see that somewhere, at least SOMEWHERE, people still believe in Liberty.

Unlike Imperial Amerika.
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greatauntoftriplets Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:17 PM
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30. I have a hell of a lot of respect for the Ukrainians taking to the streets
Their outrage is formidable and they are making themselves heard around the world.
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