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liberalpragmatist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:17 PM
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Yushchenko (Ukrainian Opposition Leader) POISONED?
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 11:28 PM by liberalpragmatist
Sorry if this has already been posted somewhere, but they're talking about this a lot on DailyKos. (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2004/11/24/18550/237)

http://rolos.nature.com/news/2004/041122/full/041122-8.html

As disputed presidential election results provoke protests in Kiev, a British toxicologist is supporting candidate Viktor Yushchenko's claim that he was poisoned earlier in the campaign.

Yushchenko, the leader of the opposition, was hospitalized with a mystery illness in September and later claimed that he had been poisoned by the government. However, the Austrian doctors who treated him denied having found any evidence of this.

John Henry, a clinical toxicologist at St Mary's Hospital, London, and a consultant for Britain's National Poisons Information Service, points out that current photos of Yushchenko's face show a dramatic transformation compared with a few months ago.

He says that Yushchenko's disfiguring acne is almost certainly 'chloracne', a characteristic symptom of dioxin poisoning.

Before: August 2, 2004


After: November 19, 2004


AND some other pics:

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oldhat Donating Member (692 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:18 PM
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1. Too fucking weird.
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 11:19 PM by oldhat
It looks like he aged 30 years in two months.
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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:21 PM
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2. He looks horrible!
Looks like he got burned or something!
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UNIXcock Donating Member (464 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:23 PM
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3. Wow, tagged - I need to hear more about ...
... this
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:25 PM
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4. When one is in the middle of a fight between BFEE and Russia
one is living dangerously.

As the BFEE front man Yushchenko is living a very stressful life. He could have been poisoned by Putin's men, or his health deterioration could just be part of the stress of being out in front of BFEE in their fight against Putin.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:37 AM
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9. robbien where do you get the info
that he is a bfee stooge? circumstantial or evidential?
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:02 AM
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13. He's a "Free Market" guy.
At least from what I've read. As in sell the Ukranians to the lowest bidder.

Having lived in Poland I know what that can do to huge numbers of formerly stable people. It ruins them.

Hell the shock therapy there, and the Kleptocracy in Russia, has lead to a boom in young impoverished girls for OUR porn industry.

It's sickening what's happened to those societies in the last 17 years...
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:06 PM
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19. As opposed to...
selling out their interests to Russia?

Come on, Yushchecko is in favour of stronger ties to the European Union at the expense of lesser ties with Russia. That hardly makes him an evil free-market capitalist. If anything, the sort of free-market economy in Europe has the checks and balances to prevent oligarchies, such as those that have been established in many former east-bloc countries.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:55 PM
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22. Poland, the darling of the "Shock Therapists" does indeed have a new...
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 12:57 PM by JanMichael
...Oligarchy so I'm wondering what you mean by,"If anything, the sort of free-market economy in Europe has the checks and balances to prevent oligarchies, such as those that have been established in many former east-bloc countries.?". Plus, I hate to point this out, but the EU nations all still have powerful families and Plutocrats. It's not as if they don't exist, they haven't been "prevented" in any way shape or form.

A what checks and balances are there they are being torn down as we speak. In case you're interested there have been protests in Germany over the last few months which have been geared at preserving the Social Democratic state that the "Liberal" government is trying to tear down. Why? To satisfy World "Markets" and the drive to dismantle state healthcare, pensions and wage guarantees.

The same pressures are being placed on the other European countries that try like the devil to be Egalitarian, Humanitarian, and civilized.

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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:53 PM
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23. just in case you haven't taken economics
Social programs generally have to be funded by people who work. When there are almost as many retirees as actively working people, the cost of these generous programs is very hard to sustain.

In Germany, like many other countries, the baby boomers are retiring and there are not enough people to sustain the cost. This does not mean that all social programs should be abandoned, it just means that some difficult choices need to be made.
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JanMichael Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:21 PM
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24. I have, and you don't have to be such a pedant.
Conversation over.
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:40 PM
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25. Reality is a bitch, isn't it?
I agree, we're done conversing.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:52 AM
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17. There is a good article on Common Dreams
which sums up who the players are on the opposition side. The National Endowment for Democracy is in the thick of this, just like they are in the Venezuela opposition.

Article:
http://www.commondreams.org/news2004/1122-12.htm
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private_ryan Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Nov-24-04 11:50 PM
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5. what's so weird
Edited on Wed Nov-24-04 11:51 PM by private_ryan
is that if it was a known poison, scientists here would know and say what it was. Probably had to mix a few of them together
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Zynx Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:23 PM
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20. The Russians are the grand masters of chemicals
They come up with stuff that isn't banned by the Chemical War treaty because it wasn't even thought of.
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rndmprsn Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:16 AM
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6. KGB
has a very long and storied history in political poisoning...this doesn't surprise me at all actually..it's fits the character of the ruling class in the former soviet union to a T.
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Jack_DeLeon Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:58 AM
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15. definately...
they are no stranger to bio/chem assassination.
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jdj Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:30 AM
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7. This is like a freaking "Alias" episode.
Man, this is the kind of shit they do here to, but with voting machines, picture #2 is what our votes look like.

This poor, poor, man.

There are demons running around loose in this world.
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bullimiami Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:35 AM
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8. jesus from those pictures i believe it.
he looks horrible.
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Nordic Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:49 AM
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10. maybe this is why Kerry conceded
Somebody showed him some pictures of this guy.

Man. That's fucked up.

What a goddamn messed up world we live in.
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OutsourceBush Donating Member (860 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:50 AM
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11. I saw this a while back, glad to see it talked about more
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sariku Donating Member (153 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:50 AM
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12. Picture #2..
Actually scared me. He looks like one of the zombies in the remake of dawn of the dead.
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:03 AM
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14. Holy Dorian Gray. It looks like he's aged YEARS.
:scared:
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Menshevik Donating Member (674 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:27 AM
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16. poor guy
IMO, he was a rather handsome fellow.

This entire election has been plagued by dirty tricks. Of course, there was the poisoning, and anti-Yushchenko posters claiming he is an American stooge (one had a picture of him, except half of his face was Bush's, and it said "Bushenko." And then Yanukovych gets hit by a few eggs and starts screaming that people were throwing "heavy objects" at him (which was BS, they were just eggs). There's a ton more stuff like this...interesting election.
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Canadian_moderate Donating Member (599 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:58 AM
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18. Similar article in yesterday's Toronto Star
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 11:00 AM by Canadian_moderate
The pictures on the front page were much larger and definitely made a strong case of some sort of wrongdoing.

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/ContentServer?pagename=thestar/Layout/Article_Type1&call_pageid=971358637177&c=Article&cid=1101250211536

And I thought the USA presidential campaign was dirty politics. I am weary of Putin's influence in this election and hope democracy wins this battle.
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JI7 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 12:23 PM
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21. that must suck
he is kind of attractive in that bottom pic of him before the illness.

looks like the pictures should be decades apart but it's only a few months apart.
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