This is the first year I've noticed this big push to inject religion into

Thanksgiving.

The Freep site is FULL of "verification" and it was a major topic on "Hannity and Colmes".

The guy on H&C said that everyone has a choice of whether or not to recognize Christ on T'giving...but the whole point these people are trying to make is that schools MUST teach the religious origins of the Holiday and they want it recognized nationally as a church holiday.

WTF...Buxh "wins" the election and these people cross the line from devoutly religious to certifiably insane.

I wonder if any of them have a lighted picture on their wall of Jesus carving a turkey. Or Jesus feeding the starving masses cranberry sauce.

I'm going to bed...Wake me in 2008.

about waking you up in 2004

Nice touch with the Third Reich patch.

William Bradford was the governor of the original Pilgrim colony, founded at Plymouth in 1621. The colony was first organized on a communal basis, as their financiers required. Land was owned in common. The Pilgrims farmed communally, too, following the "from each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs" precept.

The results were disastrous. Communism didn't work any better 400 years ago than it does today. By 1623, the colony had suffered serious losses. Starvation was imminent.

Bradford realized that the communal system encouraged and rewarded waste and laziness and inefficiency, and destroyed individual initiative. Desperate, he abolished it. He distributed private plots of land among the surviving Pilgrims, encouraging them to plant early and farm as individuals, not collectively.

The results: a bountiful early harvest that saved the colonies. After the harvest, the Pilgrims celebrated with a day of Thanksgiving -- on August 9th.

http://freedomkeys.com/thanksgiving.htm

all week about G Washington "Thanking God" for the holiday.

None of them seem to be able to tie in the Native Americans into the theory. Instaed these folks seem intent to look for images of the Virgin Mary in the stuffing.

Thanks for the sanity.

whatever higher power you may choose to believe in.

Hmmm...I was just sitting here tonight thinking that with all this "moral values" crap going on these days, Thanksgiving is actually LESS religious than it was when the evil Dems were in power.

There used to be Thanksgiving church services in my community, both Wednesday night and Thursday AM, but NONE this year. The big-time GOP religious zealots around here did all their praying last Sunday; for them tomorrow is about food, football, and getting ready for Black Friday. :eyes:

it was called a "Moravian Love Feast" and there was supposed to be pie after. I did not go due to a really nasty headache that kept me under for most of the day.

We used to have a Thanksgiving Eve service every year, which I have attended several times.

When I was young we gave thanks at the table for all we had.... But I don't recall my old man sitting at the head of the table letting any deity take credit for him bustin' his ass 40 hours a week.

But that was just my family. I accept that we all grew up with different values.

the rest of the year (more or less?)

Whatever worked for you and your family is fine Johnny... The idea simply is to give THANKS and reflect on what you have.

Please understand however that for many people "giving thanks" has always included being thankful to "God" or some power greater than themself... this is not some new idea coming from today's RW Christians or groups like that; it was always part of the "holiday" of Thanksgiving.