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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 03:57 AM
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9/11 commission report and Condi Rice
I found this interesting statement on pg 258 paragraph #3 of the 9/11 commissions report. We all know Dr. Rice stated in her testimony that she had no way of knowing that the terrorist would use planes and crash them into buildings. Well paragraph 3 shoots holes in this I think. It is in reference to the summer of '01 and the Genoa G-8 summit.
" To enlist more international help, Vice President Chenney contacted Saudi Crown Prince Abdullah on July 5. (Steven) Hadley apparently called European counterparts, while (Richard) Clarke worked with senior officials in the Gulf. In late July, because of threats, Italy closed the airspace over Genoa and mounted antiaircraft batteries at the Genoa airport during the G-8 summit, which President Bush attended"

We all know that Rice is a failure and a liar, but I think this just highlights the fact that she is. Why would they put anti-aircraft, close airspace etc... if they felt that the threat was in the water? It is noted that the counter terrorism group headed by Clarke was on high alert at the time too. If Chenney was making phone calls and Hadley was making phone calls and Clarke was making phone calls about the topic of terrorism and heightened alert status and closing airspace around the President why, or should I say, how could Rice not have known? The end notes on this paragraph also indicate that Clarke had been in contact with Dr. Rice and a person with the last name of Edelman about the heightened state of alert during this period and the threats for the G-8 summit. I think the cows knew at this point when discussing airplanes. Maybe Dr. Rice is not good with the art of subtlety? In any case I found this an interesting passage.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:22 AM
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1. It is interesting...
and along with the August 6th Presidential Daily Briefing specifically saying bin Laden was expected to hi-jack planes, it should have caused someone to lose their job.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:37 AM
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2. Lose their jobs??? How about
go to prison for the rest of their lives for complicity, treason, war crimes, crimes against humanity...
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:54 AM
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3. I would settle for that, yes.
The dip shit sat and read that goat book too damn long not to have known what was happening.
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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:15 AM
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4. That was the only reading he apparently did
It states also in the 9/11 commission report that there were more than 40 articles relating to Bin Laden between 1/20/01 and 9/10/01 in the PDBs. My pet goat is also once again the only reading that Rice did because the Senior Executive Intelligence Brief (SEIB) is a similar thing as the PDB but less classified. Sources are not named for reasons of security and it is more widely distributed in the administration. Those two dailies cover the same topics and are of the same format. The 9/11 report states that Clarke and his staff had access to a lot of terrorism reporting, but did not have access to internal, non disseminated information at the National Security Agency, CIA or FBI. In other words Bush, Chenney, and Rice got the PDB and could not figure it out and Clarke got the non secure item, SEIB, and put it together. 40% vacation time paid off. It is hard work, a lot of hard work being president. Bush is obviously not up to the job, neither is Rice. She seems to be on vacation as much as her boss.
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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:45 AM
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6. Sparing no expense and at great danger...
Sparing no expense and at great danger, I've obtained the actual PDB of August 6th. All kidding aside, I've heard bush went fishing after reading it.

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brucefan Donating Member (421 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:12 AM
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8. No,No
At Bushco that gets you a promotion.
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lapfog_1 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:39 AM
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5. Using planes as suicide weapons

and the excuse "nobody could IMAGINE that"...

Let's see...

1. Any student of history (like Condi Rice) should know about both
the German and Japanese "Kamikaze" pilots of WWII.

2. There were the fiction books "Debt of Honor/Executive Orders"
written by conservative hawk Tom Clancy in 1994 which detailed the
use of hijacked airliner and crashing it into the US Capital building
while a joint session of congress was taking place, effectively
"decapitating" the federal government.

3. There was an uncovered plot BY AL QAIDA in the 1990s to hijack
an airliner in France and crash it into the Eiffel Tower. The plot
was foiled by French police.

4. The pilot episode of X-files spin off "The Lone Gunman" was
a plot to use remote control to hijack an airliner and crash it
into the World Trade Center.

And those are just the ones off the top of my head. A NATIONAL
SECURITY ADVISER to the F'ING POTUS should not only be aware of
these (both real and fictional) but likely another dozen or more
items like these that never made the MSM or pop culture. To say
that "no one could have predicted" and "no one imagined" this type
of an attack is just the most ridiculous thing I think I've ever
heard a public figure say... much more than even "I never had
sex with that woman".



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BikeWriter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 02:10 AM
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9. Uh, do you recall this small plane...
'But Bergquist noted that a small private plane crashed into the White House several years ago. The Secret Service was furious with the FAA for not notifying them about the aircraft. "I can tell you how it happened," said Bergquist. "The controller was on the floor sleeping or watching TV and heard nothing. He wasn't watching his radar scope or he would have seen the plane violate the restricted airspace around the White House."'
http://www.aim.org/media_monitor/A825_0_2_0_C/

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jamesinca Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:17 AM
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7. Rice stated that Berger did not warn of al Qaeda
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 08:29 AM by jamesinca
In her testimony and that of Samuel (Sandy) Berger there is a dissagreeance and then a complete agreeance on the same subject. Sandy Berger testified that he told Rice during the transition between administrations that she would use most of her time focusing on al Qaeda. Rice in her testimony stated that she was not told this. That is the disagreeance. She stated that she remembers being told that she would be spending more time than she is currently planning to spend on al Qaeda. That is the agreeance. I think what Sandy Berger failed to realize is that Rice never had any intentions of spending time on the al Qaeda. So when he possibly stated that she would spend more time on it then she planned to he thought she actually cared. If she truly cared then spending more time than planned would equate to spending most of her time focusing on it. Richard Clarke stated that she wanted to focus on Iraq and Russia.

Just think Richard Clarke is the one that apologized for having failed to keep this country safe, not Rice. Why? Because she does not care!
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