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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:35 PM
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Ukraine = America
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 01:36 PM by MessiahRp
I think the Ukranian election is starting to become hilarious. Can we say wraught with irony?

The Bush Administration has applied it's electoral double standards to the Ukraine saying that they didn't want the election results certified, that there was massive fraud... funny though that the past two elections they did the exact same thing even with international election observers here to dispute the fairness or validity of the vote.

There's massive voter fraud here and it is largely ignored (especially by the media) but over there and oh no we have to call them on that. Pot, Kettle, Way Black.

Then you have the Ukranian Supreme Court refusing to disclose all the info from their take on the case, and the disputed thief, er, winner forming a transition team and you have their campaign chairman claiming the following:

In the statement, which referred to Yanukovych as the president-elect, (Campaign chairman Sergei) Tyhypko called on "Yushchenko and his supporters to meet with transition team to assist in taking early steps to heal the passions that have bitterly divided Ukraine and to restore national unity."

The Russians decided to play by American rules and become a Democracy, so who better to follow the lead of than American leadership when it comes to learning how to steal an election in a Democratic Capitalist society?

The Bushes are just pissed that Tyhypko stole Karl Rove's playbook and did it their way.

Too bad our media are too cowardly to take this much interest in what happens here.

Rp
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:38 PM
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1. Cowardly? Or paid for?
There is a difference.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:41 PM
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2. Good point
And for some I think it's a little of both. There's some that are afraid of speaking up because of the people above them and there are others who are flat out whores for this Administration...

Rp
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ktowntennesseedem Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:44 PM
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3. Amazing how quick they are to point to the faults of others.
Hmmm. I seem to remember Jesus saying something about how impossible it is to point out the speck that is in someone else's eye, when you yourself have a beam sticking out of your own eye. Something about you are supposed to first remove the beam from your eye, then you can see clearly to help the other person remove the speck in their eye.

Never mind. I forget that the religious right that put this bunch of crooks back in office pick and choose their favorite scriptures and ignore the rest.
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pbartch Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:45 PM
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4. AMERICA = HYPOCRITES
Bush is the KING of the Hypocrites.

I would love to see him dethroned as in the days of yore.....locked up in a tower etc.............
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:45 PM
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5. True except that Bush is funding the opposition in the Ukraine
This election in the Ukraine is like our election back in 2000 where when it looks like BushCo is going to lose, he funds a massive revolt in the Florida/Ukraine streets. But it looks like the Putin backed candidate is not backing down like Gore did.

Poor Ukraine, either Bush or Putin. What a horrible choice.
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 01:55 PM
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6. I actually see it the other way around
The liberal democratic reformer opposition candidate seems to better represent Gore and the fascist, Right-wing Putin-backed "winner" seems to better represent Bush.

I wouldn't look too deeply into the fact that the US may be funding Yushchenko. Bush thinks he simply has a better shot at the oil in the Caspian Sea with Yushchenko in power. However, Yushchenko is going to cater to European interests way before he caters to Bush and the US.
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Robbien Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:01 PM
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8. I see it the other way around
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 02:02 PM by Robbien
Bush's Yushchenko is a capitalist who wants to privatize Ukraine assets to global capitalists leaving the Ukrainians in really bad shape. Putin backed Yanukovich has realized how important it is to revitalize Ukrainian industry, so there is some hope for a Ukrainian middle class.
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cire4 Donating Member (580 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:32 PM
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11. I think Yushchenko will embrace a European style economy....
...which is better than what it has now. Yanukovich just seems to be a continuation of Kuchna's corrupt rule, which hasn't done much for the Ukranian people. The thousands of young liberal Ukranians in the streets makes me want to believe that Yushchenko is the far better choice.

But meh...to each their own....
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dkofos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:00 PM
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7. I think the msm would have taken notice if we put a million people around
the white house, wearing blue, with fire in there eyes, shouting off with his head.

But that would never happen in amerika.

To bad.
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brainshrub Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:02 PM
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9. No they wouldn't. We did that twice B4 the Iraqi war.
And again in NY.

Face it, we're doomed.
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yurbud Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:09 PM
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10. OPPORTUNITY: write Lugar
It will at least make him and his staff pretty damn uncomfortable, and whatever happens with count/recount/fraud investigation, if he doesn't switch sides, he might at least sit on the sidelines.
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MessiahRp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 04:49 PM
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13. I don't think we'll turn any Republican
Same theory as I had with the election. They are stubborn assholes who are set on disagreeing morally but supporting status quo even as far as world destruction as long as they are never seen as turncoats to their party label.

See: Lincoln Chafee, John McCain, Lugar, and Hagel.

Also see: All the Republicans who disliked Bush but voted for him over Kerry anyways just so they didn't vote Democrat.

Positively Sheep.

Rp
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cliss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 02:33 PM
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12. It is kinda cosmic, isn't it?
Just a few weeks after our theft, the same thing happens in another part of the world. Sort of reality-affirming, I'd say..

In my opinion, rigging elections has become an "in" thing to do. Watch Tony "The Poodle" Blair's election in 2005. He's probably getting advice from the Rat-pugs on how to do it.

I'd say all countries are going to try it. After all, we're the world's leader in innovation.
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bhikkhu Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:14 PM
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14. Ukraine = America + Cojones. n/t
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