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ckramer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:19 PM
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What would Canadians do if US invade Canada one day
for their oil and natural resources?

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DireStrike Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:22 PM
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1. Don't have to. Canada is becoming part of the US.
http://globalresearch.ca/articles/CHO411C.html

No doubt, Canada's entry into US Northern Command will be presented to public opinion as part of Canada-US "cooperation", as something which is "in the national interest", which "will create jobs for Canadians", and "will make Canada more secure".

<snip>

And ultimately what is at stake is that beneath the rhetoric, Canada will cease to function as a Nation:

*Its borders will be controlled by US officials and confidential information on Canadians will be shared with Homeland Security.

*US troops and Special Forces will be able to enter Canada as a result of a binational arrangement.

*Canadian citizens can be arrested by US officials, acting on behalf of their Canadian counterparts and vice versa.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:24 PM
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4. Global research
is not a reliable source. Ain't gonna happen.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:29 PM
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12. Beg to differ. Global Research
is a quality site. And if the neocons continue unchecked, meaningful Canadian sovereignty is unlikely to survive another 20 years.

We have water, and America is getting thirsty.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:51 PM
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16. Global research
is a load of rubbish. Tinfoil hat stuff. And our neocons are a rump party.

Canada's loss of sovereignty has been predicted since day one, however we're still here, and bigger than ever.
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:17 PM
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17. "Tinfoil hat stuff"
I see now why we part company on this one.

:tinfoilhat: :hi:

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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:43 PM
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21. Sorry, is it your website?
:D

"The Centre for Research on Globalisation (CRG) is an independent research and media group of progressive writers, scholars and activists committed to curbing the tide of "globalisation" and "disarming" the New World Order. The CRG webpage at http://globalresearch.ca based in Montréal publishes news articles, commentary, background research and analysis on a broad range of issues, focussing on the interrelationship between social, economic, strategic, geopolitical and environmental processes.

The Centre's objective is to unveil the workings of the New World Order."

Snip..."This "false consciousness" which pervades our societies, prevents critical debate and masks the truth. Ultimately, this false consciousness precludes a collective understanding of the workings of a World economic and political system, which destroys people's lives. The only promise of global capitalism is a World of landless farmers, shuttered factories, jobless workers and gutted social programs with "bitter economic medicine" under the WTO and the IMF constituting the only prescription.

The New World Order is based on the "false consensus" of Washington and Wall Street, which ordains the "free market system" as the only possible choice on the fated road to a "global prosperity". The CRG purports to reveal the truth and disarm the falsehoods conveyed by the controlled corporate media."

Still tinfoil hat stuff.
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ilovenicepeople Donating Member (883 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:38 PM
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31. By "tin foil" do you mean,
I don't want to believe it,it scares me so I will laugh and pretend I didn't see it? OR Totaly crazy reptile,UFO,bUSH is a christian kind of tin foil? Has anyone heard of the P.A.U.the Pan American Union,the uniting of Canada,America and Mexico?bUSH has heard of it why haven't you?
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htuttle Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:22 PM
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2. Last time we tried that, they burned down our White House
Let's not try again, okay?
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SammyWinstonJack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:17 PM
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11. "Last time we tried, they burned down our White House"
"Let's not try again, okay?" I wouldn't put anything past bush*co,Inc. They will steal any and all resources they feel they have a "right" too.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:23 PM
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3. Well, you've already tried it
several times. Cough, cough.
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Swede Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:27 PM
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5. We'd first learn not to say "eh" so we could inflitrate the entertainment
industry in the US. They'd never spot one of us.
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Massacure Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:27 PM
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6. Fight.
Canada has 840 Javelin Missiles. They are capable of penetrating 35 inches of explosive reactive armor. That means the U.S. would end up with 840 destroyed Abrams tanks.

At $4.3 million a pop, that is $3.612 billion to replace them. That + training new crews, and paying the families or injured or dead crew.
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:06 PM
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27. 840 Abrams tanks? Why bother?
How about dams, nuclear reactors, etc.? Asymmetric warfare ...
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dreamcollector Donating Member (180 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 05:43 PM
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7. YOU WOULDN"T
Cuz we're commie,pinko,socialists and we would vote for Ralph Nader. Right-wing imperialists would have a rough time stealing the vote from us. We would fight to the death to keep our universal health care, cheap drugs and social security. We'd be rioting in the streets right now if you rigged an election. And if we did riot our newspapers and television stations would report it. If you're George Dubya Bush don't even think about it. We whupped you good when you out-numbered us before. It's thanks to us that your White House is white. Happy Thanksgiving, George. And don't eat any plastic turkeys.
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fugue Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:07 PM
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8. To be honest, that question has troubled me
I want to emigrate, and Canada is my top pick. That it is the nearest English-speaking country helps, but I like that the country is committed to multiculturalism. I also like that on 9/11, the Canadian prime minister's reaction was to comment that we in the West had to be aware that our lifestyle is based on the exploitation of those in lesser developed countries. Wow. I think he may have apologized later (I know the US public went ballistic about it), but that he recognized that, thought we all should, and felt he could safely say so, that all says things about Canada that I wish could be said about the US.

But the neocons are playing from the Nazi handbook. Canada must just scream "Anschluss!" to them. I'm afraid to go there, get settled, and then have to move again. Or, worse, not move again. By that time, I'm sure the American borders will be closed to emigration and that's the first thing they'll do to the Canadian borders if they do seize control there.
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Maple Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:12 PM
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10. Well you should note
that none of us are worried about any kind of take-over, neo-con or otherwise.

My family has been in Canada for generations, and lived through all these attempts.
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fugue Donating Member (846 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-26-04 05:58 PM
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34. People who were not worried have been conquered before
You may be right, but you may also be very wrong.
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One_Life_To_Give Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:11 PM
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9. Same as last time?
Whup their arse.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:33 PM
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13. Already happened.
I was watching the Documentary on TV.
It was called Canadian Bacon with John Candy!
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gordianot Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:39 PM
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14. Sorry did not see link to global research.
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 06:40 PM by gordianot
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 06:48 PM
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15. "So all you Yankee soldier lads who dare to cross our border"
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 06:49 PM by Minstrel Boy
From the folk song "Secord's Warning":

So all you Yankee soldier lads who dare to cross our border
Thinking to save us from ourselves
Usurping British order
There's women and men Canadians all
Of every rank and station
To stand on guard and keep us free
From Yankee domination!

About Laura Secord, and why she's a Canadian hero:
http://www.rootsweb.com/~canmil/1812/bios/laura.htm

Canadian poet Milton Acorn anticipated the next US invasion, writing 30 years ago in an essay titled "What are the Odds?" (That is, what are the odds of Canadians defeating US forces in a guerilla war.)

I'll transcribing a bit here from his collection "More Poems for People":

The first attempt of the United States to become an imperialist power was stopped in its tracks by the supposedly inefficient Canadian yokels. In the War of 1812-14, the American armed forces along outnumbered the whole Canadian nation. The British had little to do with our successful defense. They were fully occupied with Napoleon in Europe.

...

Unlike the movement against the Vietnam War, which took years to gather steam, an Anti-Imperialist movement inspired by a war against Canada could spring up in weeks. It would spring up as soon as Canadians showed themselves able and willing to defend themselves.

...

We stand a chance, a chance amounting to a certainty... I'm not guaranteeing that the war would be short. I'm not predicting it'd be long. It could possibly be a series of short wars punctuated by and ended by revolutionary uprisings in the Heartland of Imperialism.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:26 PM
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:33 PM
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19. "what would happen if another country were to invade Canada"
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 07:36 PM by Minstrel Boy
It's funny you ask that - I mean, seriously funny - because the only country to ever invade Canada is yours. And not just once.

Look a map. What other nation could threaten us?

History, geography, imperial ambition and America's coming thirst for fresh water says the only threat Canada faces is the United States.

As for your comment, "Canada, 30 million people, not much of a military." Well, Iraq's population is about 20 or so million, and not much of a military there. How's that going?

Again, look at a map, and consider the territory you would need to pacify.


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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:41 PM
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Minstrel Boy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 07:53 PM
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22. I disagree on this point:
Edited on Thu Nov-25-04 07:54 PM by Minstrel Boy
"My only suggestion is that the poster should post this one about 10-20 yrs from now, if ever. Better to concentrate on Iran for now... Don't waste time on the distant future when we have problems facing us immediately."

I don't think it's a waste of time to be thinking about the neocons' long game. If we take it piecemeal, one invasion at a time, we'll always be several steps behind them, and will not have formulated a long game of our own to confront them.

Also, as a Canadian, such speculation is not a waste of time for myself and many of my friends.
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bvar22 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 08:07 PM
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23. You could expect some help for Canada...
....from the blue states along your southern border.
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RC Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:01 PM
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25. And even from the so called Red states.
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canuckagainstBush Donating Member (125 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 09:38 PM
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24. Move to New Zealand n/t
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Deja Q Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:06 PM
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26. Don't need to - NAFTA already gives us their energy resources in the
event of a crisis or shortage.

Hey, who needs constant invasions when legal chicanery and fine print make them look like the fools?
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Taxloss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 10:10 PM
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28. The Swiss and other small countries in Europe have a policy
called "total defence". That means that they will never fight a defensive war in the traditional sense - they will just ensure that the invading army takes horrific losses, as horrific as possible, and will capture nothing of value, because the bridges, dams, skyscrapers and so on wuld have been destroyed by the defenders. Who have taken to the hills and are sniping the troops. It's very effective.

And it's not far of what's happening in Iraq.
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Boosterman Donating Member (515 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:20 PM
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29. Actually I cant
see the US invading Canada again. Maybe over water but I doubt it. The backlash here would be enormous. beside if we annexed you guys the repubs are out of business in all likelihood. I do see growing economic ties and blurred borders though. Just my 2 dollars.
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JVS Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:37 PM
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30. Lose
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Pachamama Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:42 PM
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32. R U Kidding? Anybody see Bowling for Columbine? While the Canadians have
Gun Control laws and require all firearms to be registered, there are more firearms in Canada per capita than in the US.

The border of Canada is massive and there is much territory that is uninhabited for many miles. If the US ever "invaded" Canada and lets say "sent missiles" to destroy their cities, the Canucks especially in remote areas would be picking off the invading forces and soldiers in sniper attacks...

No, I think its safe to say that Canada would be just fine....My bet would be on the Canadians.... :hi:

Who knows, I might be one of them some day?
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stavka Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Nov-25-04 11:51 PM
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33. Probably fight like hell like they did in 1914 & 1939....
You know, when America made a bunch of bucks, and then raced in to claim a new and different world.

(Sorry, a little bitter, my American great uncles and grandfather left upstate New York to join the Canadians in support of the King and Democracy in 1915, and only one came home. My family is a little short of members because of patriotism.)
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